Russian forces cross Ukrainian border 22.02.2022 morning

[Arhat]

Severdonetsk: Between 1000-2000 soldiers out of those around 600 foreigners. They will soon surrender once they know they're 100% fucked.
Lysychansk: This is obviously the largest target in this area but they will be fully encircled and have no option but to die or surrender. Probably around 6000 troops there alone.
Zolote-Gorskoe : The soldiers here whom are encircled (around 2,000) already started to announce their surrender.

So no it was an epic failure by Gay-lensky, the BEST option was to retreat westwards into the Bahmut line of defense and hold the line there. The ruskies were smart enough and put on this huge bait.

If Ukrainians just agreed to the peace conditions put by Russia in March (neutrality, giving up Donbass and Crimea) they could make a big propaganda victory out of it and claim they defended Kiev, Odessa and Kharkov from Russians but they became too cocky especially after Johnson promised to give them Crimea and all of Donbass back. Now they are slaughtered and going to lose also South Ukraine maybe even Kharkov and Odessa. The idiotic Sewerdonetsk "counteroffensive" is just a perfect example of their arrogance and self-deception. They probably lost thousands just to get encircled some weeks later and now they have to hurry up or there will be no fortified defense positions west of Severdonetsk-Lysychansk ...

[CDeBris]

They're flooding Ukrainian media, social media, Telegram with fake news like Ukrainian army entered outskirts of Kherson and now took over four streets As soon, as some shit happens, they fabricate 3-5 lunatic fakes and start forcing them everywhere to divert attention from reality.

They're widely present in Russian segment. My favs are Ukrainian fake accounts pretending to be "worried Russians" who flood comments in Russian Telegram channels with typical Ukrainian grammar mistakes, Ukrainian slang etc, that's hilarious. They write different bs like "grandmother of my brother in law from Kherson said that Ukrainians are seen on next street" and so on.

The Ukraine propaganda is pathetic. I'd expect better propaganda from Jews.

[SilverKnight]

If Ukrainians just agreed to the peace conditions put by Russia in March (neutrality, giving up Donbass and Crimea) they could make a big propaganda victory out of it and claim they defended Kiev, Odessa and Kharkov from Russians but they became too cocky especially after Johnson promised to give them Crimea and all of Donbass back. Now they are slaughtered and going to lose also South Ukraine maybe even Kharkov and Odessa. The idiotic Sewerdonetsk "counteroffensive" is just a perfect example of their arrogance and self-deception. They probably lost thousands just to get encircled some weeks later and now they have to hurry up or there will be no fortified defense positions west of Severdonetsk-Lysychansk ...

The Ukraine propaganda is pathetic. I'd expect better propaganda from Jews.

Sad sad.. I expected a bit more coherence from Ukrainians, I guess I was wrong.

[Jehan]

It is just pure insanity how an army of 90% Russian speakers and Orthodox Christians (at least by birth) fights against the right of Donbass people to speak Russian and for the banning of their own language+culture. Even now 90% of ukrainian soldiers in Donbass speak russian or some mixed language when they are not filmed for State TV and official propaganda. They both claim to be the "real" Russians unlike Finno-Ugrian "Rashists" and in the same time ban everything Russian including non-political literature music, monuments and so on. I really pray this insanity and self-destruction ends soon (both physical and cultural).

The only explanation is that they were not discrimate. And it was all a pretext.

[Chelubey]

The entire Ukrainian army should surrender. According to Dejan Berić (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejan_Berić) Ukrainian army has 700-800 killed per day. With surrender of Ukrainian army the killing of soldier on both sides would be stopped, and killing of civilians as well.

These are not realistic estimates. If we add 1000-1500 wounded to them, then the Ukrainian eastern front would collapse within 10 days. The most realistic estimates are 100-150 killed per day from both the Ukrainian and Russian sides.

[Chelubey]

The only explanation is that they were not discrimate. And it was all a pretext.

Why are you having these discussions? as a some informed person, I can say that some of the posts in this thread are misinformation.

[Victor]

Why are you having these discussions? as a some informed person, I can say that some of the posts in this thread are misinformation.

Are you a trustful source? For example I don't try to convince or teach anyone, I just know I'm right, that is. I'm more interested in like-minded people, than opponents. As you can see, I don't respond to half of endless questions. An only goal of all my direct responses is to share some info with like-minded people through it, I'm barely interested in anything else.

[Varda]

These are not realistic estimates. If we add 1000-1500 wounded to them, then the Ukrainian eastern front would collapse within 10 days. The most realistic estimates are 100-150 killed per day from both the Ukrainian and Russian sides.

Dejan Berić is not 100% sure. He said 700-800 kikled Ukrainian per day by rough estimate. But he is very sure that Ukrainian losses are huge and much higher than Russian. He said Russian losses in the last phase of war are quite small, since Russian forces started with positional warfare and to use heavy artillery in in large quantities. He also said some events from Donbas when happened mass destruction of Ukrainian forces are not known in Russian and international media and public. He is present on the field in battles in Donbas and i believe him. I heard even from few Croatians who are clearly anti-Russian and pro-Ukrainian that analysis and informations of Dejan Berić are pretty realistic.

[Chelubey]

Dejan Berić is not 100% sure. He said 700-800 by rough estimate. But he is very sure that Ukrainian losses are huge and much higher than Russian. He said Russian losses in the last phase of war are quite small, since Russian forces started with positional warfare and to use heavy artillery in in large quantities. He also said some events from Donbas where happened mass destruction of Ukrainian forces are not known in Russian and international media and public. He is present on the field in battles in Donbas and i believe him. I heard even from few Croatians who are clearly anti-Russian and pro-Ukrainian that analysis and informations of Dejan Berić are pretty realistic.

Igor Girkin does not confirm these estimates.
He said that the losses of Ukrainians in recent weeks are higher, but only in relative terms. In the Severodonetsk region, the Russians have a multiple numerical advantage, and 10% of Ukrainian losses are not equal to 10% of Russians one.

[Chelubey]

Are you a trustful source? For example I don't try to convince or teach anyone, I just know I'm right, that is. I'm more interested in like-minded people, than opponents. As you can see, I don't respond to half of endless questions. An only goal of all my direct responses is to share some info with like-minded people through it, I'm barely interested in anything else.

For example, Varda published a photo of the wife of the commander of Azov holding a Nazi flag, but these are two different girls.