Russian forces cross Ukrainian border 22.02.2022 morning

[Victor]

Sentimental feelings towards Ukrainians is the biggest weakness of Russia

I don't know who Arhat is, judging by his old posts he is either from Belarus or Russia, but he is the epitome of everything what's wrong with this war and why we can't just flatten to rubble this disgusting shithole of a country (Ukraine).

For me southern cities built by Russian Empire are more valuable than lots of cities inside current Russian borders. Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson are the pearls of the Russian south. The problem of sentimental attitude towards Ukrainians that there was no strict separation of Russians/Ukrainians with Soviet schizophreniac idea of "brother nations", while there are Russians, Ukrainians loyal to Russia who will become Russians in two generations if we live in united state and concious Ukrainians. Creating a state on territories of central Ukraine would give us an opportunity to finalize the separation, there are Russians, there are Ukrainians, not some ethnic transgenders with tendency to parasite on Russia. As i've said, after two generations as part of Russia, Ukrainism will be a sort of scary fairy tale in south-east. Ukrainians voluntarily become Russians in Russian ethnic cultural space, no violence or compulsion needed, they normally switch to superior culture. It goes like this for centuries, lots of Ukrainians of the past who moved to the cities became perfect Russians. The first ones to turn this process in the back direction were the commies, creating the ugly "pastoral elite".

[Russki]

For me southern cities built by Russian Empire are more valuable than lots of cities inside current Russian borders. Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson are the pearls of the Russian south. The problem of sentimental attitude towards Ukrainians that there was no strict separation of Russians/Ukrainians with Soviet schizophreniac idea of "brother nations", while there are Russians, Ukrainians loyal to Russia who will become Russians in two generations if we live in united state and concious Ukrainians. Creating a state on territories of central Ukraine would give us an opportunity to finalize the separation, there are Russians, there are Ukrainians, not some ethnic transgenders with tendency to parasite on Russia. As i've said, after two generations as part of Russia, Ukrainism will be a sort of scary fairy tale in south-east. Ukrainians voluntarily become Russians in Russian ethnic cultural space, no violence or compulsion needed, they normally switch to superior culture. It goes like this for centuries, lots of Ukrainians of the past who moved to the cities became perfect Russians. The first ones to turn this process in the back direction were the commies, creating the ugly "pastoral elite".

Good words. I fully agree.

[gixajo]

The core of Ukrainan army used to be quite ideological, heavily picked and filtered for 8 years, but most of them are dead, so it's natural that conscript masses are not eager to die for nothing. People here barely know the mentality of average Ukrainian, hyper individualism, a sort of regionalism, tendency to anarchy, unwillingness to die for some ideas, tendency to change sides and adapt. There will be thousands of those who are not russophiliac, but they're gonna fit in new Russian regions of ex Ukraine, as it will be good for their family, life etc. Someway it's good, as those people are not destructive towards others and themselves. The most funny shit I've read in this war were fake news about strong partisan resistance in Ukraine, Ukraine and partisans are two incompatible things, it does not fit Ukrainian mentality at all.

And now speak something about Russian army and governement.

USA and Europe were paranoid thinking that a few simple maneuvers implied that Ukraine would be invaded in Putin's words. Liars.

The troops that were in Donbass were not being helped by Russia, it was a spontaneous thing. Lie.

The soldiers who appeared in Crimea were not Russian and had nothing to do with Russia. Lie.

We invaded Ukraine to denazify it. Lie.

It's not a war, it's a special operation. Lie.

Everything is going great in the "special operation", nothing happens. Lie.

All this is a consequence of what Maidan brought. Half true=manipulation of truth. Maidan was a response to previous Russian interferences.

Donbass is pro-Russian and we have the right to defend them from Ukrainian repression. Half true. half of the population of Donbass was not pro-Russian, now probably since most of those who felt Ukrainian have left, it will be 90%. The repression against the pro-Russians was real and it is something that is reprehensible. But it is also true that this repression was a reaction by Ukraine to nip Russian annexationism, promoted and encouraged from Moscow, to have an excuse to annex the region.

Russia does not defend any traditional value, Russia has not invaded Ukraine to help anyone but its economic and power interests. It is a pure and hard imperialist act. Russia has attacked a sovereign country and has been artificially creating the necessary conditions for years to excuse itself from an invasion.

The sanctions are not having any impact on the Russian economy. Another manipulation, the government and the covert help of various allies acting surreptitiously, are delaying and cushioning the effects. But it is true that the West is also suffering many adverse effects on its economy from all this, and possibly in the future it will be even worse.

Did the West do comparable things in the past? For imperialism and for defending its geostrategic interests, yes, that is similar, but how it was done is very different (and I know this because I have lived it in first person, and not in first person in a videogame Russki).

So stop making excuses for us to see what is happening more acceptable, and at least have the decency to admit the real reasons why all this has been done, and by the way, stop despising and insulting the Ukrainians even if you consider them your enemies, because even if they end up losing the war, they have fought bravely.

Russia does the opposite of what it says. Nobody trusts what Putin says anymore, because he only lies about his intentions.

[Arhat]

For me southern cities built by Russian Empire are more valuable than lots of cities inside current Russian borders. Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson are the pearls of the Russian south. The problem of sentimental attitude towards Ukrainians that there was no strict separation of Russians/Ukrainians with Soviet schizophreniac idea of "brother nations", while there are Russians, Ukrainians loyal to Russia who will become Russians in two generations if we live in united state and concious Ukrainians. Creating a state on territories of central Ukraine would give us an opportunity to finalize the separation, there are Russians, there are Ukrainians, not some ethnic transgenders with tendency to parasite on Russia. As i've said, after two generations as part of Russia, Ukrainism will be a sort of scary fairy tale in south-east. Ukrainians voluntarily become Russians in Russian ethnic cultural space, no violence or compulsion needed, they normally switch to superior culture. It goes like this for centuries, lots of Ukrainians of the past who moved to the cities became perfect Russians. The first ones to turn this process in the back direction were the commies, creating the ugly "pastoral elite".

Kiev was one of the capitals of Russian nationalism in the begging of the 20th century but then Germans and communists both supported Ukrainian nationalism which initially was a movement of urban Polish-Jewish people being anti-Czarist, anti-Orthodox and generally anti East-Slavic. Only later Ukrainian peasants joined and it got mixed with other identies (Cossacks, Galicians...) and then all this anti-jewish and anti-polish pogroms started. Ukrainian nationalism always was an anti-Russian project and based on self-hatred. This project always only existed to weaken Russia and to cause trouble. It is similar to these Islamist ideologies which were also supported by the West either to weaken the Ottoman empire or Russia in Central Asia.

[Russki]

Kiev was one of the capitals of Russian nationalism in the begging of the 20th century but then Germans and communists

Kiev is not a part of South Ukrainian colonization project "New Russia", nor are goddamn Germans in any way relevant to Ukraine.

It's time to stop posting for you, you schizophrenic maniac.

[Victor]

Kiev is not a part of South Ukrainian colonization project "New Russia", nor are goddamn Germans in any way relevant to Ukraine.

It's time to stop posting for you, you schizophrenic maniac.

Urban population was predominantly Russian no matter the region. Ukrainians used to be rural population. Kiev was a center of Russian nationalism back then, one of main headquarters of "black hundred" movement, lots of notable Kiev Russians belonged to it, like the helicopter inventor Sikorsky. Now it changed for sure.

[gixajo]

Sorry you are right I as xoxol and my relatives in Donbass and East Ukraine definitely know less about the situation than your CNN reporters in New York or British tabloid authors, who write about mongolic Russian soldiers raping cats and stealing washing machines. Go and die for globhomo and NATO yourself but leave Ukrainians alone. If the West told Zelenskiy to talk with Russia the war would end today but the West wants to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian sacrificing an entire country for their geopolitical interests

You are boring with your continued attempts to erode the credibility of those who stands up to you ,"I have familiar on Donbass and you don´t".

It doesn't matter if Zelensky talks to Putin, Putin is not going to stop until, after the initial failure, he controls at least all of Donbass. Settling for less would be humiliating.

The consequences of all this no longer depend only on Russian decisions, from now on everyone is warned. Russia only has to sell its soul to China to survive.

[gixajo]

The reinforcements that have been arriving during the last week have been concentrated mainly in the Luhansk sector.



Once taked the Donbass region, maybe Putin will stop and sit to talk.

For example Putin could say that day: "We stop the war if everything we have taken acquires a special status that implies accepting Russian influence or control of these areas(or directly annexation to Russia). We accept that Ukraine may have special ties or even belong to the EU, but not to NATO, and we demand that Ukraine demilitarize and renounce future annexation aspirations over Crimea and Donbass."

[Russki]

Urban population was predominantly Russian no matter the region. Ukrainians used to be rural population. Kiev was a center of Russian nationalism back then, one of main headquarters of "black hundred" movement, lots of notable Kiev Russians belonged to it, like the helicopter inventor Sikorsky. Now it changed for sure.

Вы понимаете, что Arhat воспримет это уточнение как полное оправдание его умалишённого комментария?

Он даже поставит вам "палец вверх" и будет считать это подтверждением всего того маразма, который он пишет.

Его маразматичные истории похлеще древних укров, выкапывавших Чёрное море.

Вам пора осадить его, чтобы нас тут всех за идиотов не считали.

[Victor]

Once taked the Donbass region, maybe Putin will stop and sit to talk.

I hope not, talks will be ok after liberation of whole south-east