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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Another portion of sensationalist news for the fool Jehan from ubermensch Ukrainians about untermensch Russians.

    There is no 30 degrees frost in Moscow (which is still nothing outstanding in a mesaure of infrastructure), in last few days whole central Russia jumps from -8 to -20 which is not something unusual, it's winter.

    Jehan will eagerly eat any poop from Twitter with a big spoon if it fits his "expectations", if it's Ukrainian poop he will ask for bigger portion.


    Same behavior than muslim, Aisha was 9 and not 6 when muhamed raped her, stop your lies...

    According to russian meteo, it will be -24 during the night. Here is the link.
    https://www.gismeteo.ru/weather-moscow-4368/

    Totally sensationalists. Human being live totally well at -20 without heat. No problem, everything is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    You read that an ex french officier who died during a walk in the mountain and russians medias said he died in operations in Ukraine?
    Just one dude?

    I checked and indeed it happened, https://www.lepoint.fr/politique/mor...2532093_20.php
    The guy was 74 years old, his last work was on the rebuilding of the cathedrale Notre Dame. Nothing related to military. I wonder why they would send a profil like that in Ukraine.

    For the one who don't beleive in accident. Here is an article about an active soldier who died during a training in mountain (in 06/2021).
    https://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-...gne-22190.html
    Russian media dont publish about this case at all. I read it in tg channel of one journalist that monitor media.
    and he noted that such cases have become common with the military abroad. There was also a crash in Alaska and Maryland, something more massive off the coast of Australia. It is quite possible that this Frenchman went to Ukraine or Africa as a consultant. There's also the story of the bathyscaphe. Well, the fact that coffins periodically cross the western border of Ukraine is a fact. Recently, 10+ Poles and Lithuanians were reported. If so, will there be an open funeral or will they die in a "car accident"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    Same behavior than muslim, Aisha was 9 and not 6 when muhamed raped her, stop your lies...

    According to russian meteo, it will be -24 during the night. Here is the link.
    https://www.gismeteo.ru/weather-moscow-4368/

    Totally sensationalists. Human being live totally well at -20 without heat. No problem, everything is fine.
    Are you still talking about it? You're indeed sensationalist. Some part of infrastructure didn't cope with 20+ degrees rapid change, city repair services started to deal with it, people got transferred to temporary shelters and local hotels, that's what I mean by you being sensationalist. You should tell that they were all left on the frost because "Russians don't care when people die" and then their frozen meat was sent to SMO zone as food for soldiers because "Russians would probably do something like this".

    As for the fact, you've mentioned -30c frost which didn't happen and now you send me a link about something in future, the coming -24c. What does it mean in your alternative reality? Russians gonna massively die and dogs gonna eat them in spring when the frost goes away?

    You still don't get it's not about if it's -20 or -30 or the fact that there were infrastructure problems, but the way you interpret everything related to Russia, I dunno what's your problem and if it's roots in your 9 or 6 years old I don't really care.
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    Serbians who came to figt in Ukraine for their russian brother complains about the way they are treated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    Serbians who came to figt in Ukraine for their russian brother complains about the way they are treated.
    That's Dejan Beric, a legendary sniper from 2014 campaign. He tells about exact incident which happened in exact unit. The only needed is to investigate it and punish those who committed exact crimes. Every war normally attracts not just heroes, but all kinds of perverts, ideological lunatics (including nutzees), anyone possible, some of them have might in exact places. As you are classic european simp nationalist I realize that in your eyes it's a war of chad crusader saviors of europe in face of Ukrainians and other scum vs untermensch soviet nigger orcs, so you idealize everyday behavior of one side and stigmatize the other side, like every romantic fool.

    Both sides have by average the same people, the only difference that it's our gang and they're enemy gang so they must die. There are definitely people on Russian side whom I hope will never return from this war and they're not needed in peaceful society (same as such people on Ukrainian side). I'm more than sure that thousands of smaller and bigger crimes were committed inside both armies and groups of mercs, volunteers through these two years, between each others, there's nothing unusual in it. It's just a normal reality of war, which should be treated through investigations, punishments or even better executions on places (and I'm sure it happens relatively often).

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    A good articile by my friend, you can understand some things about Russia in this war:


    Russian volunteer vanguard on Soviet fragments. AntiJunger.

    Along with the undeniable tragedies of the territorial disintegration of the Empire and the loss of national dignity, the best thing that happened during the collapse of the USSR was the restoration of private property, the emancipation of the individual with his ambitions. In the essay “On Heredity and Posterity in Russia” I already addressed the exhausted and now degenerating ideological heritage of the Age of Enlightenment. Back then it was about education and demography. Now we will talk about war.

    Let me quote a passage.

    “The French Revolution fought against class privileges. I would say that if you take it from a specific historical context, it is a fight against the clan as an institution, against continuity. The October Revolution did not stop at the struggle against class succession. It abolished private property, private enterprise, and intended to further eliminate the family as a reactionary institution.

    As a result, private property has withstood all revolutions and social utopias. Its inheritance is generally recognized at the formal legal level. Therefore, I would say that this is that old, generic element within the framework of postmodern (or post-revolutionary) society. Just like a special case - entrepreneurship. Business in general is to some extent complementary to family culture. It’s not for nothing that many famous companies are named after the names of their founders; such businesses are often hereditary.”

    Despite the scale of reforms and events in general, there was no ideological counter-revolution in 1991. There was a rejection of radical utopianism in the Marxist-Leninist version. But without meaningfully reconsidering things. It can be said that radicalism was overcome by simple skepticism and cynicism.

    And so the Country entered the war.

    In the Russian Federation there is no serious ontological justification for itself. It is now impossible to write a non-trivial official text with the actual foundations of Russian statehood.

    The Constitution of the Russian Federation is Soviet-liberal. The first in it is by inertia, the second is due to the specific historical circumstances of its appearance. This document is not based on the heroic mythology of the founding fathers, nor on centuries-old tradition, nor on religious or ideological faith. Amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation can be made voluntarily and irresponsibly.

    Now back to the war. It is impossible to understand or deduce from the Constitution of the Russian Federation why the state decided to wage war, where and why its troops were attacking. It is quite natural that the goals of the SMO are interpreted voluntarily, almost arbitrarily. At the official level they are pronounced, much less written, without enthusiasm. They are weaker, less serious than every step and shot on the front line - in an elementary way, simply because the latter are an objective reality that cannot be ignored.

    In these circumstances, the best in the changes of 1985-1991, with which we began our discussions, clearly showed their significance - the restoration of private property, the emancipation of the individual with his ambitions. The state gives money to volunteers for the war. There is perhaps no more un-Soviet image than a mercenary in the service of the state.

    In general, for all left and right modernist teachings, there is something bad in this image. The fascist will not be satisfied with excessive private interest and initiative; the libertarian, on the contrary, will not be satisfied with statism and militarism. Marxism and everything derived from it, left liberalism, are categorically incompatible with the obvious capitalist and imperialist spirit of the phenomenon.

    We see that all these people are boring and outdated, just like their ideologies.

    Wagner in this context was very much in the spirit of the times. To the point that war has not been declared in our country - and Wagner was not declared either.

    It’s in vain that some Russian nationalists, including the hero of the Russian Spring I.I. Strelkov, Wagner was accused of “harmful aesthetics of a mercenary.” Instead of aesthetics, they wanted another one romantic ideology that is no longer needed - after all, modernity has passed. I must admit, these people are also boring and outdated.

    What can be, what will someday be, are some ontological foundations of the state. And any aesthetics is already a move in that direction. What is needed is the formation of not only a truly military class instead of the non-military (and non-army class), but also the replenishment of it with “words” - education, connection with the state-oriented intelligentsia.

    But with the end of "Wagner" the thesis does not close - it is still true that "The state gives money to volunteers for the war."

    Also, on personal initiative, people go to fight for state and private interests, signing an annual volunteer or regular contract. A noble enterprise with the prospect of increasing one’s well-being and social status and at the risk of one’s life, encouraged by the state. In a sense, mechanics can be roughly compared even, for example, with the American Homestead Act of 1862.

    The only thing missing is real support. Again, this is not about ideology - here, as we noted, there are objective difficulties. But simply about the glorification of military valor, about a certain aestheticism and audacity. And about emphasizing the high social status of Russian servicemen. It is sad to see instead on billboards the faintest call to “join your own people” - the only weaker call to simply “sign the contract” would be weaker.

    It should be noted that, on the one hand, the official ideology of the Northern Military District (if you still show willpower and listen to what is being said) is extremely reluctant to say anything about offensives and territorial acquisitions. It is just very “non-imperial”, almost non-military. There is no other way to say it ideologically, in the Soviet way. But where we are outside this framework, another ideology suddenly reveals itself: fighters receive cash bonuses in excess of what is stipulated in the contract not for anything, but for each day of participation in an active offensive (8 thousand rubles), for each kilometer of territory taken enemy (50 thousands of roubles.), and for damaged enemy equipment (payment depends on the type of equipment).

    Even the massive participation of volunteer prisoners in the SMO has signs of that non-Soviet, that “best thing that happened”, and that in Russia now exists and works - the emancipation of the individual with his private ambitions.

    Imprisonment in a colony is, among other things, humiliation of the individual. A prisoner who risks his life for personal freedom is half a man who shoots himself to avoid prison. I remember how A.S. Pushkin practically signed his own death warrant by challenging the brute Count Tolstoy-American to a duel because he started a rumor that the poet was allegedly flogged in the security department.

    All the “unrealism” of the constitution and ideology of the Russian Federation, all the ontological skepticism and cynicism paradoxically make the Russian Federation an open, changeable state, possessing degrees of freedom. Moreover, this changeability in conditions of skepticism is always rational and not dogmatic. Meanings will be built from the reflection of specific things - be it in the context of war the image of a volunteer seeker in the government service - perhaps, for example, PMCs will be legalized and all future written meanings will have to take this into account (and contracts with volunteer formations have already been legalized) - or earlier the “reflection of territories” that I noted.

    Ultimately, at the natural-cultural level, the Russian Federation remains historical Russia and the pragmatic movement should naturally bring it into line with its foundations at the formal-legal, state level. This is what caused the conquest of the Novorossiak lands, although this aspiration is not written down anywhere and cannot be articulated by an accessible ideological apparatus.

    Ukraine, on the contrary, is tightly locked in a retrograde artificial project - a copy of the nationalist regimes of the 20th century. In modernity, oriented towards a mass ideologized society with total mobilization according to Jünger. It turns out that for them it is getting worse and is burdened by congenital and irreparable severe pathologies, as well as the primitiveness of the economy and infrastructure.

    The mass society itself no longer exists and cannot exist for a long time - since the mid-20th century in the USA, Canada, Britain, Germany, Russia, social and economic stratification has increased significantly (for example, according to the Ginny index). Which undermines the very “equality and brotherhood” on which the social basis of total war is based - also in accordance with Jünger.

    In Ukraine, the measured social stratification is now significantly lower than in Russia, but it is due to an incredible level of demographic outflow - mainly from wealthier strata. Closing borders under such conditions naturally increases social stress, which conflicts with nationalist solidarity.

    Finally, it is clear that society’s readiness for total mobilization has approximately the same psychologism as readiness for nuclear war. Is this bet reasonable and timely in a time when nuclear weapons already exist? Moreover, you personally don’t have it, but does the enemy have it?

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