Russian forces cross Ukrainian border 22.02.2022 morning

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[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Every time I open my mouth in this thread you do the same thing, next time go back and reread our posts with similar side discussions and please spare me your discussions about experts and how little I know about everything and that I only give my opinion based on in feelings.

About the topic, we can summarize that you don´t think that the recent Historic past of Russia has no influence on what happens in Ukraine and that what happens in Ukraine is not going to influence the USA at all.That´s right?

This has been addressed. I will not repeat myself.

I say that recent History of Russia has also influence on what is happening and that what happens in ukraine will influence (is already influencing and has influenced) the USA in many aspects, and maybe can also in the worst scenario change in an unquestionable and definitive way the USA.

This has been addressed. I will not repeat myself.

You are funny

Sorry... what does all this have to do with the original discussion that the USA is not affected at all by what happens in the Ukraine...

It helps explain why there is a war in Ukraine in the first place. The background to a conflict is relevant. When you watch a movie do you start in the middle? You need to watch from the first minute to understand the film.

...and that the decisions of Russia have nothing to do with the mentality inherited from the Soviet era and its fall?

It's only now that you bring 'mentality inherited from the Soviet era and fall.' You never brought it up in this discussion. However, a previous statement of mine addresses it:

The Russian economy is about the size of Spain. The Russian military would be easily crushed if it invaded a NATO nation. Putin and Russians are aware.

What does it matter if you yearn for Imperial Russia or the Soviet Empire if you don't have the means to do it? It has nothing to do with a 'past Soviet mentality' and everything to do with what I already explained in my initial response in detail that you - and everyone else I bring it up with during a debate - never addressed (hint: Mexico).

Could it be that I need to sleep or maybe it's you that don't follow any argumentative thread, it seems that you lose concentration, I don't even know why I try to adapt to your changes of direction.

I'll treat you like a child if that's what you want:

1) Pointing out that Bush Sr. promised to keep out of Eastern Europe in exchange for the Russians allowing East and West Germany to unite indicated Eastern Europe wasn't in US' national interest (the promise was broken by others but that's beside the point).

2) Pointing out Putin initially had an interest in joining NATO reveals a lack of antagonism toward NATO (which is basically saying a lack of antagonism toward the US).

You look like a tough boxer. Have you practiced any martial art other than wrestling? have you practiced MMA?

I look like a guy who is very detailed and people I argue with get upset that I'm very detailed.

[gixajo]

This has been addressed. I will not repeat myself.



This has been addressed. I will not repeat myself.

You say you will not repeat yourself while repeating yourself.

It helps explain why there is a war in Ukraine in the first place. The background to a conflict is relevant. When you watch a movie do you start in the middle? You need to watch from the first minute to understand the film.

Yeah, I agree that was one of the main reasons that Putin use to explain the invasion of Ukraine, it helps to explain it. Same as the Soviet and post Soviet times explain many things about nowadays thinking of many Russians, inlcuding Putin. And I am not saying that Putin is communist or that he wants to rebirth the USSR, just that his mentality and way of thinking is influenced logically by it, and specially the humiliation and hard times of its falling.

But you don´t agree with this.

It's only now that you bring 'mentality inherited from the Soviet era and fall.' You never brought it up before. However, a previous statement of mine addresses it:

The Russian economy is about the size of Spain. The Russian military would be easily crushed if it invaded a NATO nation. Putin and Russians are aware.

What does it matter if you yearn for Imperial Russia or the Soviet Empire if you don't have the means to do it? It has nothing to do with a 'past Soviet mentality' and everything to do with what I already explained in my initial response in detail that you - and everyone else I bring it up with during a debate - never addressed (hint: Mexico).

I explained it before, and I think that I am right, in the terms I have said it.

I have said also many times that Russia alone will lose against NATO in a conventional war. But Russia has nuclear weapons, so NATO cannot confront Russia in that way. Russia

Putin and others around him have directly or covertly threatened to use nuclear weapons in the event of determined support for Ukraine.

I'll treat you like a child if that's what you want:

1) Pointing out that Bush Sr. was willing to not expand into Eastern Europe in exchange for the Russians allowing East and West Germany indicated that Eastern Europe wasn't in US' national interest (the promise was broken but that's beside the point).

2) Pointing out Putin initially had an interest in joining NATO reveals a lack of antagonism toward NATO (which is basically saying a lack of antagonism toward the US).



I look like a guy who is very detailed and people I argue with get upset that I'm very detailed.

If it makes you feel better to say such bravado do it, as you will understand, I do not have you as an authority figure of any kind.

Detailed? If you like to see yourself that way, that's fine with me but I don't think being detailed is the impression that anyone who argues with you usually takes away about your personality after having an argument with you.

[Loki]

Every time I open my mouth in this thread you do the same thing, next time go back and reread our posts with similar side discussions and please spare me your discussions about experts and how little I know about everything and that I only give my opinion based on feelings..

That's the impression I get too.

[Victor]

I prefer gixajo's opinion based on feelings over the french-brazilian specialists' opinions in the thread based on deep analysis of their news feed Maybe that's the reason he does not sound annoying unlike them.

[gixajo]

That's the impression I get too.

Yes, it is a common argument used among those who do not usually agree with someone, and sometimes even they can be right.

In any case, Loki, I expect you to know that a lie repeated a thousand times, contrary to what Goebbels said, will never become the truth.

[Victor]

Yes, it is a common argument used among those who do not usually agree with someone, and sometimes even they can be right.

In any case, Loki, I expect you to know that a lie repeated a thousand times, contrary to what Goebbels said, will never become the truth.

[Loki]

Yes, it is a common argument used among those who do not usually agree with someone, and sometimes even they can be right.

In any case, Loki, I expect you to know that a lie repeated a thousand times, contrary to what Goebbels said, will never become the truth.

Yeah I know, it's often used in debate, and just as often unfairly. It can be used as an insult to belittle the opponent's arguments. In fact that's how many atheists with no clue about the spiritual insult Christians who know God. But the irony of the matter is that it actually applies to themselves.

[gixajo]

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Life is hard, isn´t it?

[Victor]

Life is hard, isn´t it?

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade