Hungarian or Slovak - Ethnic background

[Jana]

I would say Slovaks are more of organic ethno-identity (based on shared ancestry) while Hungarians are more of civic identity (like French). Slovak can easily become Hungarian, vice-versa too I guess but that is less usual.

[Universe]

I would say Slovaks are more of organic ethno-identity (based on shared ancestry) while Hungarians are more of civic identity (like French). Slovak can easily become Hungarian, vice-versa too I guess but that is less usual.

I am not sure about that.

[rothaer]

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I agree to that the question of ethnicity in this case of very closely related populations will eventually be decided by what langauge will be traditionally used. Over generations new traditions can be established and the ethnicity can be changed.

As a general take I'd like to say this: You as a single individual can not change your ethnicity, but you can influence the further development. Depending on the exact circumstances you may be able to influence what your children and grandchildren will ethnically be. I view ethnicity as something that is stable in a single individual, but what may change over generations.

I'll not deny that someone can change how he defines himself ethnically. But this can not be obligating for how others see him. In contrast to what is sometimes said an ethnic belonging is not just a personal decision. And as far as it also emotionally shall obligate others, it can of course not be just a personal decision. It must also be the view of the others.

Someone can say he does not agree and doesn't care about what I describe. Okay. But then he will not experience the full scale content of an ethnicity including the everlasting orientation and recognition of unchangable belonging. Because it's essentially the aspect of unchangeability that makes the ethnicity a trustworthy and reliable aspect to others. Something that can be changed by someone just changing his mind can never expect the same level of importance.

[Universe]

Im actually very proud of my Hungarian side and I dont identify as Slovak ethnic wise.
Also my ethnicity in the papers note that Im actually Hungarian. So In Slovak census I drop down to Hungarian minority.

I know, I'm just kidding.

[Jana]

I am not sure about that.

why not?

[rothaer]

I would say Slovaks are more of organic ethno-identity (based on shared ancestry) while Hungarians are more of civic identity (like French). Slovak can easily become Hungarian, vice-versa too I guess but that is less usual.

And less easy, I'd guess. I agree to your statement.

This puts up an interesting question: Are there generally different conditions for belonging to different ethnicities? I'd not strictly project my views onto foreign ethnicities, but instead kind of interview people involved. Answers would have to be cleansed from "political correctness". It's about people's true views.

[Mr.G]

Im actually very proud of my Hungarian side and I dont identify as Slovak ethnic wise.
Also my ethnicity in the papers note that Im actually Hungarian. So In Slovak census I drop down to Hungarian minority.
Nevertheless Jan Slota is one of funniest politicians ever XD He has hatred towards Hungarians but if you've heard his other quotes about other politicians you would burst out laugh xd

I was just gonna ask what you felt in your heart.. I see you already answered my question in the above quote.

Now, from a technical side of things, let's consider your autosomal results. You plot somewhat southern for your mix don't you? That may indicate that your mother's side has a healthy amount of southern admixture. Using Feiichy's SE European calculator I see that the Hungarian average is a bit more southern than Slovak (no surprise).

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Target: Slovak
Distance: 23.7523% / 0.23752348
67.0 Slavic
16.6 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
16.4 Germanic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 3.6716% / 0.03671600
55.8 Slavic
24.2 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
18.8 Germanic
1.2 Turkic

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Here is how you are split using your ancestry in the source (Eurogenes K13). Now, if your father is close to the Albanian average, then the Hungarian average offers a little better balance of your ancestry.

Target: Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
Distance: 392.9516% / 3.92951565
60.2 Albanian
39.8 Slovak

Target: Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
Distance: 440.0941% / 4.40094072
52.4 Albanian
47.6 Hungarian

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Of course this is a very simplistic overview, we could examine across various calculators for a more thorough assessment, but I see nothing here to invalidate a deep Hungarian ancestry for you.

Conclusions:

TheMaestro

In his heart: Hungarian
In his autosomal: You be the judge

Sincerely,

Uncle G

[TheMaestro]

I was just gonna ask what you felt in your heart.. I see you already answered my question in the above quote.

Now, from a technical side of things, let's consider your autosomal results. You plot somewhat southern for your mix don't you? That may indicate that your mother's side has a healthy amount of southern admixture. Using Feiichy's SE European calculator I see that the Hungarian average is a bit more southern than Slovak (no surprise).

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Target: Slovak
Distance: 23.7523% / 0.23752348
67.0 Slavic
16.6 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
16.4 Germanic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 3.6716% / 0.03671600
55.8 Slavic
24.2 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
18.8 Germanic
1.2 Turkic

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Here is how you are split using your ancestry in the source (Eurogenes K13). Now, if your father is close to the Albanian average, then the Hungarian average offers a little better balance of your ancestry.

Target: Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
Distance: 392.9516% / 3.92951565
60.2 Albanian
39.8 Slovak

Target: Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
Distance: 440.0941% / 4.40094072
52.4 Albanian
47.6 Hungarian

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Of course this is a very simplistic overview, we could examine across various calculators for a more thorough assessment, but I see nothing here to invalidate a deep Hungarian ancestry for you.

Conclusions:

TheMaestro

In his heart: Hungarian
In his autosomal: You be the judge

Sincerely,

Uncle G

In many calcs two mixes I get Slovak/Albanian 48/52% so it seems legit. But yes, I plot more southern then person of my mix should plot in.

[Mortimer]

I was just gonna ask what you felt in your heart.. I see you already answered my question in the above quote.

Now, from a technical side of things, let's consider your autosomal results. You plot somewhat southern for your mix don't you? That may indicate that your mother's side has a healthy amount of southern admixture. Using Feiichy's SE European calculator I see that the Hungarian average is a bit more southern than Slovak (no surprise).

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Target: Slovak
Distance: 23.7523% / 0.23752348
67.0 Slavic
16.6 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
16.4 Germanic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 3.6716% / 0.03671600
55.8 Slavic
24.2 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
18.8 Germanic
1.2 Turkic

------------------

Here is how you are split using your ancestry in the source (Eurogenes K13). Now, if your father is close to the Albanian average, then the Hungarian average offers a little better balance of your ancestry.

Target: Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
Distance: 392.9516% / 3.92951565
60.2 Albanian
39.8 Slovak

Target: Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
Distance: 440.0941% / 4.40094072
52.4 Albanian
47.6 Hungarian

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Of course this is a very simplistic overview, we could examine across various calculators for a more thorough assessment, but I see nothing here to invalidate a deep Hungarian ancestry for you.

Conclusions:

TheMaestro

In his heart: Hungarian
In his autosomal: You be the judge

Sincerely,

Uncle G

Seems like he can be half slovak or half hungarian on gedmatch it is very similar i think gedmatch cannot truly decide in this case

[Mortimer]

I agree to that the question of ethnicity in this case of very closely related populations will eventually be decided by what langauge will be traditionally used. Over generations new traditions can be established and the ethnicity can be changed.

As a general take I'd like to say this: You as a single individual can not change your ethnicity, but you can influence the further development. Depending on the exact circumstances you may be able to influence what your children and grandchildren will ethnically be. I view ethnicity as something that is stable in a single individual, but what may change over generations.

I'll not deny that someone can change how he defines himself ethnically. But this can not be obligating for how others see him. In contrast to what is sometimes said an ethnic belonging is not just a personal decision. And as far as it also emotionally shall obligate others, it can of course not be just a personal decision. It must also be the view of the others.

Someone can say he does not agree and doesn't care about what I describe. Okay. But then he will not experience the full scale content of an ethnicity including the everlasting orientation and recognition of unchangable belonging. Because it's essentially the aspect of unchangeability that makes the ethnicity a trustworthy and reliable aspect to others. Something that can be changed by someone just changing his mind can never expect the same level of importance.

I think it depends on what you are and what you want to become sometimes a individual can change it succesfully like the many germans who become American Australian or British