What are some European specific Y-dna?

**macdc** · 03-02-2022, 12:09 AM

For E, G, I, J, R, T, etc.

**~~Tongio~~** · 03-02-2022, 12:33 AM

What do you mean? Do you mean for example clades downstream of E or J that are believed to have mutated in european territory?

**~~Tongio~~** · 03-02-2022, 12:36 AM

I1 and I2 are the ultimate european y DNA in every sense possible, probably the only ones that can fully claim that. That is why the paleo gang is so proud.

**macdc** · 03-02-2022, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tongio

What do you mean? Do you mean for example clades downstream of E or J that are believed to have mutated in european territory?

Yes.

**~~Tongio~~** · 03-02-2022, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by macdc

Yes.

E1b - V13 has been in Europe since neolithic and mutated in Europe possibly , I think It is the only clade of E1b that did so.
About J possibly none of its major subclades seem to be European all having mutated beetwen the zagros and northern caucasus.J2b2a1- L283 tho is almost entirely european in distribution and have been in Europe in a relevant amount since the bronze age mainly among Illyrians, and also there is a small chance this mutation(L283) happened in south Rússia, but it is uncertain.J2a-M69 also have been in Europe for quite a time.
About G, R and T i dont have enough knowledge.

**macdc** · 03-03-2022, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by Tongio

E1b - V13 has been in Europe since neolithic and mutated in Europe possibly , I think It is the only clade of E1b that did so.
About J possibly none of its major subclades seem to be European all having mutated beetwen the zagros and northern caucasus.J2b2a1- L283 tho is almost entirely european in distribution and have been in Europe in a relevant amount since the bronze age mainly among Illyrians, and also there is a small chance this mutation(L283) happened in south Rússia, but it is uncertain.J2a-M69 also have been in Europe for quite a time.
About G, R and T i dont have enough knowledge.

What is J2a-M69?

**Onlyi2aIsEuropean** · 04-11-2022, 12:47 PM

I2a has been longest in europe (20 thousand years), it is the uber european line if thats what youre looking for

**arkas** · 04-11-2022, 01:11 PM

There are many subclades of R1a and R1b that are found exclusively in those with European ancestry, so I wouldn't describe them as non-European but as others have mentioned I2 and I1 are the oldest lineages derived from the Western Hunter Gatherers of Europe.