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Nitrolic
Wow. This was the answer of someone from a different forum. Thoughts?
As no answer here seems to comprehend what is with the Croatian - Romanian genetic relation some elaboration is required.
Genetic distance between south Croatians and east Romanians is almost perfect.
As we can see above Cro - South / Ro East is the closest between all the 29 European populations studied above, more than any other pair in particular. In other words no other population in Europe is so much genetically related than South Croatia - East Romania and also very much Croatia in general with East Romania, or the Moldovan side of Romania.
Also Genetic distance between Romania and other European countries
And Moldova’s gentic distance
confirm that.
Here are few more significant clues.
The time to a most recent common ancestor of this population is established to be between 1700 to 1100 years ago.
A 1700 years ago event that could have changed the genetic landscape of north west Balkans and also be strongly related to east Carpathian area could only be the attested shift of an over 100,000 Dacian Carpi group from beyond the Carpathian area to south west Pannonia and north west Balkans, in 290s AD, by Diocletian.
Up to 318 AD Constantine also shifted two 100 k Carpi groups from the east Carpathians to bellow Danube into the Balkans.
And to better understand what those figures meant as population size those times compare it to the entire Visigoth nation that crossed the Danube in 376 AD, around 100 K all.
Highland Transylvanian Romanians from the former Dacian strongholds are also genetically related to areas of Bosnia Herzegovina.
The Megleno - Romanians of Macedonia area are mostly genetically related to parts of south and east Romania and still speak a very well understood East Romanian language.
Here is the late Neolithic Cucuteni culture
Its population between the east Carpathians and up to Dnieper river were mostly I2a genes.
The earliest and mostly I2a individuals attested in a culture and also todays spread of I2a, with the founder effect of 2 genetically identical populations, arriving in north west Balkans in two different waves.
The Bronze age Getae - Thracian cultures expand at north of Black sea is attested to be gradually pushed west by the Scythian arrivals, after 1800 - 1600 BC.
Then the Eastern most Carpi expand during the 5 century BC is attested to be up to Dnieper river, encompassing the former Cucuteni expand.
Genetic diversity analyses prove that I2a originated in the former Cucuteni culture, expanded in the east Romania and south west Ukraine today.
Then here is the spread of most frequent mtDNA in Romanians
originated in east - central Romania, following the path of the Uelcos (falcon) people expand, also known as Vlachs, Volcae, Wallons, Welsh, using the Falcon as totem and probably Celticized former Getae people in the west, during La Tene Celtic expand.
Volcae or Uelcos, were part of the early Latin tribes that founded Rome and there is their maternal genetic imprint in the Alps and all around Rome.
Vlachs also, were not only the Balkans pastoralists, but they also practiced agriculture above the Danube and since early medieval times mostly owned the higher land of the Balkans and Carpathians, due to the many waves of medieval migrations, for the fact that on top of the mountains the pastoral way of life preserved their existence.
Here are the Vlach transhumance paths, which do not mean nomads but a 2 seasons residence.
like spending summer in the mountains and winter nearby a river or sea.
Early Vlachs are attested way east above the Black sea, like the medieval Volohoveni and their area on both sides of Bug river, during the 1241 Mongol invasion.
Volohoveni cavalry is attested to join the Mongols of Jebe and Subutai in the 1241 Battle of Kalka river, against the Kievan Rus and Cumans, most probably to gain independence and later on are attested to be in high esteem with the Mongols, during the Golden Horde period control over the north of Black sea.
The medieval Vlach tribes spread into north west Balkans is also recorded in the Karl Kaser’s map of the Adriatic coast.
Further north there was medieval Morlachia
Name of Mauro, Black, North Vlachs, is assumed by few sources to have come from a 12 tribes group displaced from Pannonia, at Magyars arrival. The Vlachs of north Danube were also called Black Vlachs, Kara Ulak or Kara Iflak in Turkish and in contrast to them there were the White Vlachs from bellow Danube.
Then in Ragusa, founded by a Romance speaking neo - Latin speaking population. By around 1316 a Ragusan census counted 23k Vlachs out of the about 30k Ragusan citizens.
Vlachs of Ragusa also surface few decades earlier, in the Milutin chronicles, to have supplied 10,000 armors to Negru voda Basarab, the Vlach ruler of Wallachia from north Danube, in a war against Hungary. We also find out that the Serbs intercepted the armors and most probably used them to conquer around, with the large support of the Hungarian king, who married his sister to Milutin.
St Blasius/Vlasius, the patron of Ragusa, is said to have saved the city in 9 century from the Venetian invasion. He is also said to have been of Arman origin. The Balkans medievalist John Fine of Michigan university clarifies that the Arman/Armani term is an endonym and stands for the Aromanian Vlachs of south Balkans, of Aromanian origin and not of Armenian origin, as some interpret today. Blas / Vlas name and the Balkan location also confirm that most probably we talk about an Aromanian Vlach origin. The confusion persisted throughout the medieval times, not knowing that Arman/Armani is an endonym, how the Aromanians call themselves up to date, which as ‘A’ prefixed means “from the Romans’, “of Roman origin”.
Also the East Romanian names still keep “A” prefix to identify “of belonging to” “of someone’s family” in mostly matriarchal names like Aioanei - of Ioana, Ailenei - of Ileana, but also locations like Ailoaiei bridge, the bridge of Iloaia.
Linguistics also confirm that the 19 century extinct Dalmatian language had a strong influence of East Romanian language and I provided a few examples in this answer Alex Green's answer to Do Romanians understand the Dalmatian language? Dalmatian was like half Romanian, of which most daily used terms were a sort of mix of archaic east and south west Romanian and half was western Romance, with clear sort of north east Italic influences, like the Friuli language.
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Croatian - Romanian - Moldovan DNA Connection - My 23andme Results
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