Chinese E-V13

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Copied from anthrogenica:

poster Riverman:

I first posted this here in the general E-V13:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post836027
But think these samples also justify a new thread.

We can also check Chinese samples, and there are some interesting finds:
https://www.23mofang.com/ancestry/ytree/E

Among other branches, E-Z5018 is well-represented, e.g. (only Chinese participants, there are also non-Chinese like Americans and Italians):

E-MF172289, 6 samples:
City Jining, Provinz Shandong, China
City Shenzhen, Provinz Guangdong, China
City Pingliang, Provinz Gansu, China
City Tianjin, China
Ningxia Hui Autonome Region Guyuan City, China
Autonome Region Xinjiang der Uiguren Kashgar, China
https://www.23mofang.com/ancestry/yt.../detail?root=E

E-MF172289, 1 sample:
Provinz Shaanxi Stadt Yulin, China
https://www.23mofang.com/ancestry/yt.../detail?root=E

These two are major branches which are practically non-existent in Europe, if I'm right they are below:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y154545/

So quite old, in Europe the relatives are in the North and the branches themselves are quite China-specific. This could point to Scythians, old Scythians even.

E-S2979, 11 samples:
Anshun, Provinz Guizhou, China
Daqing, Provinz Heilongjiang, China
Hotan, Autonome Region Xinjiang der Uigurs, China
Wuhan, Hubei, China
Tieling city, Provinz Liaoning, China
Hotan, Autonome Region Xinjiang der Uiguren, China
City Yantai, Provinz Shandong, China
City Beijing, China
City Shenzhen, Provinz Guangdong, China
Provinz Jilin, city Jilin, China
City Beijing, China
https://www.23mofang.com/ancestry/yt.../detail?root=E

E-FGC11457/E-B409, 4 samples:
Yantai, Shandong, China
Shanghai city, China
Beijing city, China
Yantai, province Shandong, China
https://www.23mofang.com/ancestry/yt.../detail?root=E

E-L241, 2 samples:
Xining, Qinghai, China
Lanzhou, Gansu, China
https://www.23mofang.com/ancestry/yt.../detail?root=E

What's quite striking, considering the distribution of wealth and population density, is that there is a strong concentration in the North, and more specifically, in the Uyghurs autonomous region. This aligns the best with an Iranian/indoeuropean and Turkic speaker spread.

Its remarkable that subclades present in Pannonia and Central Europe, some branches being possibly spread by Scythianised groups, being also present in China. Actually they are the more numerous ones, relatively speaking and definitely fairly well represented in the very Northern, especially North Western and Uyghur regions. The low level of the specific subclades in the very South of the country and no stronger concentration in the coastal areas, which are more wealthy and populated, at all, is quite significant.

There is even a research project for E-S2979, because its related to a common surname:

research process
Research leads
According to the statistics of the 23 Rubik's Cube ancestry database, there is a family of Ma surnamed in China. The proportion of E-S2979 among male users with the surname Ma in China is 0.21%, which is 26.0 times the normal level of 0.01% in China. And after statistical test, this family is very significant. Based on this, we speculate that there may be a large family of Ma surnames downstream of E-S2979.
Research objectives
1. When was the Ma family branch in China founded?
2. Where did the Chinese Ma family migrate from?
3. How many families are there in the lower reaches of the Chinese Ma family?
research proposal
This research requires at least 10 Chinese users with the Ma surname who are not close relatives to conduct in-depth testing, and at least 5 non-Ma family members under this haplogroup are required to participate in the research.

Number of samples needed to complete family research
5/15
https://www.23mofang.com/ancestry/fa...82b87ddf6fd14a

The frequency of 0,01 % might not sound like its much, but consider, that's China, so we're potentially talking about E-S2979 being present in about up to 70.000 Chinese carriers, which is significant.

There are some theories about the surname Ma, which would further strengthen the Uyghur/steppe connection:

As of 2006, it ranks as the 14th most common Chinese surname in Mainland China and the most common surname within the Chinese Muslim community, specifically the Hui people, Dongxiang people and Salar people.[2] In 2019 it was the 13th most common surname in Mainland China.[3] A 2013 study found it to be the 13th most common, shared by 17,200,000 people or 1.290% of the population, with the province with the most being Henan. It is the 52nd name on the Hundred Family Surnames poem
Hui Muslims, Salars, Bonan and Dongxiang people commonly adopted Ma as the translation for their surname Muhammad. for e.g. Ma Jian, Ma Benzhai, Ma clique.[5][6][7][8]

During the Ming dynasty, the Zhengde Emperor had an Uyghur concubine with the surname Ma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_(surname)

[TheMaestro]

Lost brothers.

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[CommonSense]

Other than the fact that this haplogroup is known to have been predominant among ancient Thracians, this is more proof that the starting point for E-V13's expansion in Europe was somewhere around the Black Sea.

[Slavicaliphate]

Lmao dude that is perfect for this thread. From Africa all the way to China. E-V13s always on the search for punani