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    Default Russia-Ukraine war: Absurd myth about Vladimir Putin finally shattered amid Ukraine invasion

    https://www.news.com.au/world/absurd...361400cf0b9a1e

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    It is hard to find any positives amid the atrocities unfolding in Ukraine. But here's one: the myth of Vladimir Putin, strong and cunning leader, has been irrevocably shattered. Finally, belatedly, the world sees him clearly.

    One of the more strikingly honest things I've read about the invasion in these past few days was from Sergei Dobrynin, one of the leading investigative reporters in Russia.

    "I thought Putin's cunning was undeniable. And that is why, when US intelligence started saying that Putin would invade Ukraine, I didn't believe it," said Dobrynin, writing for US publication The Atlantic.

    "Despite all my reporting experience, everything I had seen, I thought it was nonsense. I was almost angry. I couldn't see any logical reason, any advantage, any positive outcome of the invasion. It was painfully obvious that a war would be catastrophic.

    "I told myself, 'Putin is evil. But he is not an idiot.' That's what I kept telling myself right up until the night of February 24."

    Dobrynin was not alone in his misguided assessment of Russia's dictator. For two decades, a succession of US presidents deluded themselves into thinking Putin was a rational actor; someone they could convince to play by the rules through gentle diplomacy.

    "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy," George W. Bush infamously said all the way back in 2001. He added that Putin was "deeply committed" to "the best interests of his country".

    "I was able to get a sense of his soul."

    The next US administration, under Barack Obama, naively tried to "reset" its relations with Russia. Obama was caught on a hot mic before the 2012 election reassuring Putin's puppet, the outgoing president Dmitri Medvedev, that he would have "more flexibility" to deal with Russia after facing America's voters for the last time. In other words, when he was no longer accountable to them.

    If the Obama administration and its allies in Europe had responded to the annexation of Crimea in 2014 with the sort of severe sanctions that have finally been imposed on Russia now, the current invasion of Ukraine may well have been avoided.

    Joe Biden is complicit in that failure, as he was Obama's vice-president. He agreed to hold a bilateral summit with Putin early in his own presidency, which achieved little.

    We also had Donald Trump, of course, whose long history of sucking up to Putin is well documented. Having called Putin a "strong" and "powerful" leader for years, Trump's initial response to the invasion was to label him "savvy" and a "genius".

    If the Obama administration and its allies in Europe had responded to the annexation of Crimea in 2014 with the sort of severe sanctions that have finally been imposed on Russia now, the current invasion of Ukraine may well have been avoided.

    A few weeks later, that assessment is laughable. The Russian military has exposed its own incompetence. It has managed to be thoroughly outsmarted, out-organised and outfought by a numerically inferior force.

    Putin has led his country into a no-win situation. Whatever happens from this point onward, the people of Ukraine will hate and resist their Russian occupiers. Russia is a pariah state, shunned by the Western world. Its currency is worthless.

    Twenty years of economic progress have been wiped out in a fortnight. Russia's people will suffer greatly as a result.

    Let me put that more bluntly: Putin, the supposedly savvy leader with his nation's "best interests" at heart, has thoroughly screwed over his own people for no good reason.

    Meanwhile Nato – the alliance Putin was trying to weaken and intimidate – is more united than it's been in many years.

    So that's one level of the Putin delusion gone: the idea that he does evil things, but is at least intelligent and rational, and can be dealt with as such.

    More troubling is the moral delusion regarding Putin. We've seen this from left-wing anti-US types, who reflexively think any enemy of so-called American imperialism is a friend. But in recent times it has been far more pervasive among Western conservatives.

    If you want to know how so many people on the political right managed to convince themselves that a murderous dictator was worthy of their admiration, I suggest looking up a speech Putin delivered in October of last year, which earned him a surge of attention, most of which was positive.

    In that speech, Putin essentially bulldozed into the Western culture wars. He condemned the "social and cultural shocks" happening throughout the world's democracies.

    He accused other nations of "blotting out whole pages" of their own history. He railed against affirmative action for minorities and "the requirement to renounce the traditional interpretation of such basic values as mother, father, family, and the distinction between sexes".

    Among the "sociological disturbances" bothering him from afar were "reverse discrimination", "cancel culture" and the "simply monstrous" prospect of transgender children.

    This is the speech that led a leading conservative writer in the United States, Rod Dreher, to declare: "Putin gets it. Why don't we?"

    It's the attitude that won admiration from political leaders like Marine Le Pen, Matteo Salvini and Victor Orban (who have all, by the way, been forced to sheepishly walk back their praise for Putin since the invasion began).

    Never mind that Putin has long overseen a repressive state which punishes political dissent, facilitates rampant discrimination against minorities, persecutes alternative religions, massacres civilians, and so forth. At least it's "anti-woke".

    This is what happens when you reduce everything to culture war nonsense. You lose all perspective. In this warped reality, transgender children become a greater threat to civilisation than naked authoritarianism, and somehow worthier of our outrage.

    How many pampered Australians have spent the past two years whining about "tyranny" because they were required to wear a piece of cloth on their face, or take a vaccine that could save lives, including their own?

    Real tyranny was on display all along, in Russia, and China, and North Korea. It's still on display now. Thousands of ordinary Russians have already been arrested for protesting against the war in Ukraine, for expressing their freedom of speech.

    That is Putin's Russia. That is the regime for which too many Western conservatives have spent the past decade, or longer, making excuses.

    And while we're talking about Putin myths, let's discuss the concept of strength.

    Watching the Russian military fall on its face these past few weeks, I've been reminded of a snarky tweet American Senator Ted Cruz sent in May of last year.

    Cruz, a conservative Republican, was comparing two military recruitment ads, one of them from his own country and the other from Russia.

    The Russian military's ad showcased buff men doing push-ups and aiming guns, while the American one focused on the US army's diversity. It featured the story of a female soldier who was raised by two mothers.

    Cruz admired the Russian ad, and expressed contempt for the American one.

    "Holy crap. Perhaps a woke, emasculated military is not the best idea," he said.

    The idea that welcoming women with lesbian parents into the military will somehow weaken it is nonsense. This isn't 300. Modern wars are won with brains as well as brawn. For every frontline soldier there is a technician, an engineer, or any number of people whose job is no less essential. Recruiting from as wide a pool of talent as possible makes sense, and that means making it clear that everyone is welcome.

    Look at how the Russian military has performed in Ukraine, and you'll see how little being anti-woke matters on the field of battle.

    But this all comes back to that obsession among Western conservatives: that "wokeness" is weakness, and is turning the world's liberal democracies into pathetic pushovers.

    This is how Trump – a chronically vain, petty, thin-skinned, selfish human being – came to be worshipped as some bastion of strength and masculinity in the US. It's the difference between performative strength and real strength.

    The Trumpian version of strength is to be a prick to everyone. Never apologise, never admit fault, insult anyone who challenges you. It's "America First". It's the stubborn refusal to show compassion for your fellow human beings, whether that means labelling immigrants as rapists or taking umbrage at something as harmless as addressing someone by their preferred pronouns.

    It's what led Trump to spend his time threatening to withdraw from Nato, because member states weren't spending enough on defence, while praising the anti-woke dictators who flattered him.

    It's what led him to conclude that Putin was "very, very strong".

    Let's all agree on something, now that Putin's true nature is beyond doubt: being so terrified of your own people that you throw them in jail for political dissent is not strength. Being so terrified of your political opponents that you poison them is not strength.

    Being so terrified of homosexuality that you essentially outlaw talking about it is not strength. It is weakness.

    It took the West a long time, far too long, to show genuine strength in the face of Putin's crimes. Now, through the sort of mature, collaborative, multilateral diplomacy Trump spent years dismissing as stupid, we have finally got there.

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainians – supposedly a victim of the woke, weakened West, if you believe Putin – have shown us what true strength looks like.

    Let's remember what it looks like. And the next time a tinpot dictator pretends to be a "strongman", we won't fall for the illusion.
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    I agree that Putin fucked up, but articles like that reinforce the point in my mind that our biggest enemy is within - gay shitlib journo's like this, who no doubt support hate speech laws and banning any pro-Putin/Russia 'disinformation' from access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    I agree that Putin fucked up, but articles like that reinforce the point in my mind that our biggest enemy is within - gay shitlib journo's like this, who no doubt support hate speech laws and banning any pro-Putin/Russia 'disinformation' from access.
    I don't agree with every word but it is easy enough to separate the writers beliefs from truths laid bare. Isn't that what we do with all opinion pieces, whether here, the MSM or from other sources?

    In other news, our human rights commissioner, Meng Foon, has criticised the NZ governments lack of progress with hate speech laws. People may have their feelings hurt, he says today.
    Nine out of ten concerns are completely unfounded.

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    What the fuck is even being said here? So wordy.

    Putin is about to take Kiev with 10 percent of Russias military force and the bottom 10 percent because most of these dudes are conscripts. Anyone who thought Russia should be able to take a huge ass country like Ukraine in 2-3 days is a complete paint huffing retard.

    There are no fuck ups this entire time during this conflict. Everything is going to Putins plan.

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    It's articles like that - for the manipulated masses that Putin needs to keep pushing forward
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

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    Many things will come to light after Russia's military operation in Ukraine is over. The horror in which the people of eastern Ukraine have been living for eight years, killed by their own government, will be seen and heard by the whole world and by this prostitute Europe. Mass killings with mass graves of people who identify themselves as Russians will be heard and seen. The American biolaboratories on the territory of Ukraine - 30 in number, which have developed biological weapons based on the most deadly viruses such as plague, anthrax, cholera and others. Collection of genetic material from the Slavic population in order to create viruses that affect mainly people with this genotype. Study the possibility of transmitting deadly viruses with the help of migratory birds. And if this cannot sober up the ordinary population of the European continent that Americans are just playing with their lives, then that population deserves future fate and destruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavicaliphate View Post
    What the fuck is even being said here? So wordy.

    Putin is about to take Kiev with 10 percent of Russias military force and the bottom 10 percent because most of these dudes are conscripts. Anyone who thought Russia should be able to take a huge ass country like Ukraine in 2-3 days is a complete paint huffing retard.

    There are no fuck ups this entire time during this conflict. Everything is going to Putins plan.

    What is in Ukraine right now is the whole expeditionary forces of Russia. Putin has nothing left, but cooks and truck drivers.

    This invasion has shattered the myth of the Russian army - this was a 3rd world performance against a small but determined to fight European army. Turkey would beat this band of looters 3 times over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavicaliphate View Post
    . Putin is about to take Kiev with 10 percent of Russias military force


    5% actually

    You can read in any Western media that Russia deployed 100,000-150,000 troops for Ukraine

    We have 1,1 million active personnel and 2+ million reservists


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