Do you consider Bosniaks european?

[Joe McCarthy]

Not quite, Libya and Iraq were more pro-Serb and had clear sympathies to the leadership of the former Yugoslavia, Milosevic for example had strong ties to Iraq and Libya, and was and is seen as hero who stood up against the Anglo-American NATO imperialism and is seen to be a hero who was killed unjustly in many areas of the Middle East. The only Islamic states that came to their aide was Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran. It's not black and White as it seems actually.

Yes, you're right about Libya in particular, but Bosniaks were flying Saudi flags during the conflict due to the KSA's support, and it has had the effect of reinforcing Islamic identity; something that the Serbs didn't have at all.

Qadhafi's own mercurial policies were often motivated by a desire for revenge as much as any ideology. Supporting Serbia even in the Kosovo conflict being an example. His determination to get even with the British by resuming support for the IRA is another. In other words, his was less a case of the Islamic world falling out of line than just another example of his well established maverick foreign policy of supporting anything that is anti-Western establishment. He even supported Haider, who also enjoyed Saddam's favor.

[StonyArabia]

Yes, you're right about Libya in particular, but Bosniaks were flying Saudi flags during the conflict due to the KSA's support, and it has had the effect of reinforcing Islamic identity; something that the Serbs didn't have at all.

Yes, Saudi Arabia believes it's role as the guardian of the Muslims everywhere. They also were flying Turkish flags, and this was especially true of the Kosovars. Indeed with the help of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran. The Serbs had Libya and Iraq, and various nationalist Palestinian movements who were their supporters, and many of the support went beyond a moral one. Yet the whole world was against the Serbs, who by all means have been the victims of an imperialist agenda.

Qadhafi's own mercurial policies were often motivated by a desire for revenge as much as any ideology. Supporting Serbia even in the Kosovo conflict being an example. His determination to get even with the British by resuming support for the IRA is another. In other words, his was less a case of the Islamic world falling out of line than just another example of his well established maverick foreign policy of supporting anything that is anti-Western establishment. He even supported Haider, who also enjoyed Saddam's favor.

Indeed. However the Islamic world, at least in large part the Arab world are not sympathetic to the Balkaniod Muslims. They see them as stooges of Anglo-American NATO Imperialism, especially in regards to Kosovo as being illegal state. With only the pro-American Arabian Gulf states that have recognized it. Both of those leaders were criticized by the religious leaders. My point that the Bosinans did not enjoy support from the more powerful Islamic nations at the time such as Iraq, but from rather weak ones like Saudi Arabia. With only Turkey which had always had an agenda in the Balkans came to their aide, and Iran due to it's Pan-Islamist regime.

[Hurrem sultana]

since when was iraq islamic state? sadam was socialist

[StonyArabia]

since when was iraq islamic state? sadam was socialist

That's true, Iraq was a secular nation, ruled by the Arab Nationalist party called the Baath. However when people state that Iraq as an Islamic state they mean by culture and traditions that it's part of the Islamic civilization and cultural sphere. Similar to how people will say the Islamic nation of Turkey, yet Turkey is a very secularized nation. The point is not all Muslims came to help their brothers in an imaginary Pan-Islamist declaration of war, and in fact many Bosnians and other Balkaniod Muslims felt betrayed by the Arabs, I believe speaks enough of this issue. Many see things in Black and White, but often this not the case for there are a variety of things that have played out tied to politics and what it entails. The secular regimes of Libya and Iraq at the time often put national interest above Islamist ones.

[askra]

yes, they are obviously europeans, because Bosnia is geographically included in Europe and bosnians are clustered genetically together europeans.

[arcticwolf]

truth be told, I couldn't be bothered with what Bosniaks "feel". Any person that professes Islam as his/her religion is automatically non-European, no exceptions.

I can see they don't care about being Slavic, that's not important to them. That's quite different from all the other Slavic groups. I didn't really know anything about them, they never been close to us as for example Croatians, who share religion, love of Slavdom etc with us. They seem not to have what Slavs call "Slavic Soul". They seem "foreign" in mentality.

[Hurrem sultana]

Are you kidding me? croatians and serbs care about slavic just like bosniaks,,,serbs like russia because of religion they like greece too..croatians could care less,they like italy and austria

[arcticwolf]

Are you kidding me? croatians and serbs care about slavic just like bosniaks,,,serbs like russia because of religion they like greece too..croatians could care less,they like italy and austria

Any Serbian or Croatian would like to comment? Is that true?

[Ushtari]

Any Serbian or Croatian would like to comment? Is that true?

Yes, Serbs are Orthodox fanatics, just like greekz and russianz

[Hurrem sultana]

Any Serbian or Croatian would like to comment? Is that true?

I am sorry to destroy your dreams,this is pure fact