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    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    In exchange for that obligation of military service, ordinary men (peasants etc.) got rights, including political rights such as the right to vote in elections. The right to vote was strictly connected with the obligation of military service. Later feminists broke this principle - women got political rights without military service.

    It is therefore unfair that women can vote but don't have to serve in the army.

    Of course in some countries - like Israel - women serve in the army, so it is fair.
    it is doubtful that this is an equivalent exchange. I understand that when you live in a small country, gaining political rights allows you to really influence, but I doubt that an individual can influence in a country like France, the USA, Russia. Fiction in exchange for the probability of dying in another military meat grinder, especially since politicians deceive the population and manipulate opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty Ears View Post
    it is doubtful that this is an equivalent exchange. I understand that when you live in a small country, gaining political rights allows you to really influence, but I doubt that an individual can influence in a country like France, the USA, Russia. Fiction in exchange for the probability of dying in another military meat grinder, especially since politicians deceive the population and manipulate opinion.
    Well that's also true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    ^^^
    Russian men have no democratic rights and still get forcibly conscripted and go as cannon fodder to Ukraine.

    So my status as a man in a democratic country is better.

    But still it annoys me that women can vote, while not having to fight.

    Call me a Judeophile (which I indeed am) but in Israel there is true gender equality because women can vote but also must fight - just like men.
    banality and untruth. there is a professional army in Ukraine now, if conscripts were called up, it would be known. The hyperinformational society is here, and everything secret becomes clear. Democracy is not a value in itself, it does not make a person happier and does not give him more personal freedom. Russians are apolitical realists and they do what is profitable, a 2-3 party system in the future is not excluded but after cleaning up the political field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    Though much by famines and diseases.
    Famines were caused partially by soldiers confiscating food from civilians. And they spread diseases too.

    Soldiers also often behaved violently towards civilians, they could burn captured villages and towns, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    I essentially agree to this, even if Peterska is right that wars affected civilians much too.
    Population size of Silesia over time (guess what happened between 1618 and 1648):

    1000 - 250.000
    1350 - 510.000
    1577 - 1.252.445
    1618 - 1.565.556
    1648 - 1.040.000
    1742 - 1.500.000

    Now only the Prussia part of Silesia (without Austrian):

    1787 - 1.747.600
    1819 - 2.064.486
    1824 - 2.200.000

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