What are your opinions of race denialism?

[Homo Insapiens]

Does anyone here use Library Genesis?

https://libgen.is/search.php?req=Rac...e=1&column=def

http://library.lol/main/875D84BC4C69...BD1D04B13D0B28

Just click on “get” on top, or one of the buttons below that for a faster download, to download & read it.

Racial Adaptations was probably Carleton Coon’s last book.

He was considered one of the greatest physical anthropologists ever so far.

In the foreword on page vii includes the following:

“He was exasperated by assertions that there are really no races in man, or that perhaps one should not bring it up. He recognized that human variety is a fortunate circumstance for understanding the species as a whole, and for getting bearings on its prehistory and the probable evolutionary processes that brought the variety about.”

*”exasperate” means “irritate and frustrate (someone) intensely” according to Oxford dictionary of English. Doesn’t seem like a commonly used term now.

I personally totally agree.

[Homo Insapiens]

I understand why race became a taboo but it's a very stupid stance to deny its existence, and it's unhelpful too. I don't know about the academic debate on how we can divide people and all those particularities, but from the layman point of view the difference does exist and is obvious at the same time the current acceptable discourse is extremely contradictory and hypocritical.

Are you from Brazil? A very multi-racial & mixed society isn’t it?

What’s the race denialism situation there?



Laymen only really ever notice surface features like skin & hair color, hair form, facial features etc. so probably have very limited understanding, so that’s probably why many if not most of them are under this herd mentality that human races don’t exist.

The historical academic debate until it became politically incorrect to discuss so included acknowledgement & discussion of anatomical variation between different groups, including scientific measurements of physical features like facial features & skull shape & size, bone density etc. but again only really among academics & scientists, most people have always been & still are laymen.

https://analyseeconomiqueblog.wordpr...rle-section-2/

I shared this link on page 2 of this thread & commented on it. Just disregard all the racist claims & focus on the anatomy. I’ve not been able to find a similar table elsewhere.

[Petalpusher]

Does that explain why southeast Asians tend to have a different phenotype from East Asians?

Oceanian influence. For example Cambodians are about 15% Onge/Papuan at low K:

Cambodian
ANE 3.50
Oceanian 14.71
East Asian 78.28
WHG 0.10
Basal 2.80
SSA 0.60

Still more than 75% East Asian proper, while Chinese, Korean and Japanese are close to 100% East Asian (East Asian is based on Dai/Han)

& why South Asians tend to have a different phenotype than other Caucasoids further west & north of them?

Same thing, Oceanians. Varies gradually from 1-2% in the north to 1/8, up to 1/2 in south India.

Afghan
ANE 37.34
Oceanian 11.61
East Asian 9.91
WHG 7.91
Basal 33.13
SSA 0.10

Gujarati
ANE 39.20
Oceanian 27.20
East Asian 8.60
WHG 0.20
Basal 24.50
SSA 0.30

Paniyas
ANE 24.50
Oceanian 47.70
East Asian 17.80
WHG 0.00
Basal 8.90
SSA 1.10

Do Middle Easterners have some australoid ancestry as to explain why their phenotype tends to be different from more supposedly purer Caucasoid Europeans?

They tend to score real levels of SSA, a bit of Oceanian but the biggest difference with Euro is certainly less WHG and more basal Eurasian, they do however score some good ANE, more than any Euros actually as nobody gets more than 20% ANE in Europe. Taking Syria as the average of the middle east:

Syrian
ANE 23.78
Oceanian 2.00
East Asian 1.40
WHG 13.99
Basal 51.55
SSA 7.29

Even Jordanians have significant SSA

Jordanian
ANE 21.90
Oceanian 1.90
East Asian 1.30
WHG 14.10
Basal 52.40
SSA 8.40

As the area is more of a crossroad, you begin to find a bit elevated levels of Oceanians and East Asian too. All in all they get close to 1/8 of SSA+Oceanian+East Asian

For comparison that's what the average English gets:

English
ANE 18.00
Oceanian 0.30
East Asian 0.40
WHG 45.50
Basal 35.60
SSA 0.20

[Homo Insapiens]

Oceanian influence. For example Cambodians are about 15% Onge/Papuan at low K:

Cambodian
ANE 3.50
Oceanian 14.71
East Asian 78.28
WHG 0.10
Basal 2.80
SSA 0.60

Still more than 75% East Asian proper, while Chinese, Korean and Japanese are close to 100% East Asian (East Asian is based on Dai/Han)





Same thing, Oceanians. Varies gradually from 1-2% in the north to 1/8, up to 1/2 in south India.

Afghan
ANE 37.34
Oceanian 11.61
East Asian 9.91
WHG 7.91
Basal 33.13
SSA 0.10

Gujarati
ANE 39.20
Oceanian 27.20
East Asian 8.60
WHG 0.20
Basal 24.50
SSA 0.30

Paniyas
ANE 24.50
Oceanian 47.70
East Asian 17.80
WHG 0.00
Basal 8.90
SSA 1.10




They tend to score real levels of SSA, a bit of Oceanian but the biggest difference with Euro is certainly less WHG and more basal Eurasian, they do however score some good ANE, more than any Euros actually as nobody gets more than 20% ANE in Europe. Taking Syria as the average of the middle east:

Syrian
ANE 23.78
Oceanian 2.00
East Asian 1.40
WHG 13.99
Basal 51.55
SSA 7.29

Even Jordanians have significant SSA

Jordanian
ANE 21.90
Oceanian 1.90
East Asian 1.30
WHG 14.10
Basal 52.40
SSA 8.40

As the area is more of a crossroad, you begin to find a bit elevated levels of Oceanians and East Asian too. All in all they get close to 1/8 of SSA+Oceanian+East Asian

For comparison that's what the average English gets:

English
ANE 18.00
Oceanian 0.30
East Asian 0.40
WHG 45.50
Basal 35.60
SSA 0.20

By “Oceanian” do you mean australoid? Or are you not thinking of phenotype & are only focused on genetics here?

[Petalpusher]

By “Oceanian” do you mean australoid? Or are you not thinking of phenotype & are only focused on genetics here?

Oceanian represents Onge/Papuan/Australoid as a group here, all 3 are the peak of this component. It's more difficult to tell exactly which one was prominent for each but i would say in case of south Asians it's rather Onge/Papuan. For southeast Asians a more balanced combinaison with Australoid.

[bandoge]

Are you from Brazil? A very multi-racial & mixed society isn’t it?

What’s the race denialism situation there?

I am.

At the same time the main discourse is "there is only one race: the human race", there is initiatives like affirmative action for black people – some universities even stablished some kind of racial classification committee to judge people in this regard. So it's like race doesn't exist until it's convenient for the narrative, then people often use the term ethnicity when they mean race because that's the politically correct term, even when it's factually wrong. Also people like to disregard the whole discussion about race because "everyone here is mixed hence equals" but, again, it goes this way until actually dividing people is more advantageous.

I don't think race is as heated argument as it's in the USA, except for a few groups, so most people don't tend to have very strong opinions on it, but it's becoming a more significant discussion in the past decade... at the same time, that people still want to keep that facade that hate doesn't exist.