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    Default Crimea ethnic structure 1725-2001

    Most of the "Others" before 1850 were Crimean Greeks AFAIK (now they are called Mariupol Greeks):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_Greek

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars



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    Ethnic history of Crimea until the emergence of Crimean Tatars (video + timeline):

    Timeline:

    The oldest known inhabitants were Taurians (Tauri) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauri

    1000 BC - Tauri and Cimmerians inhabit Crimea
    600 BC - Tauri and Scythians inhabit Crimea
    500 BC - Tauri, Greek settlers and Scythians
    480 BC - Tauri, Bosporan Greeks and Scythians
    200 BC - Bosporan Greeks, Tauri, Scythians and Sarmatians
    109 BC - Bosporan Greeks (vassals of Pontic Greeks), Scythians, Sarmatians
    63 BC - Bosporan Greeks (vassals of Rome), Scythians and Sarmatians
    250 AD - Bosporan Greeks, Scythians and Sarmatians
    300 AD - Bosporan Greeks and Ostrogoths
    375 AD - Hunnic Empire conquers Crimea
    453 AD - Goths regain independence, Byzantines liberate Bosporan Greeks
    650 AD - Bulgars subjugate Crimean Goths
    750 AD - Khazar Empire conquers most of Crimea
    965 AD - East Slavs form the Principality of Timutarakan in eastern Crimea
    988 AD - Principality of Timutarakan captures Chersonesus, but gives it back
    1000 AD - Pechenegs conquer northern parts of Crimea
    1036 AD - Pechenegs defeated by Kievan Rus, north Crimea captured by Cumans
    1083 AD - Byzantine Crimeans conquer the Slavic Principality of Timutarakan
    1200 AD - north Crimea (Steppes) ruled by Cumans, southern by the Byzantines
    1204 AD - Byzantine Crimean territories are now ruled by the Empire of Trebizond
    1238 AD - Mongol Golden Horde invades northern Crimea and defeats the Cumans
    1266 AD - Genoese Italians buy the city of Caffa (Feodosia) from the Mongol Khan
    1313 AD - Golden Horde's Khan converts to Islam - Islam spreads into Crimea
    1330 AD - Principality of Theodoro gains independence from the Empire of Trebizond
    1400 AD - Crimea invaded by Tamerlan (Timurids), Genoa captures Greek cities
    1449 AD - Independent Crimean Khanate emerges in former Golden Horde areas
    1475 AD - Turkey invades southern Crimea, conquering Theodoro and Genoese lands

    Video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0-fLgWoxIY

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    Crimea is such an interesting place. Supposedly, Crimean Gothic was still spoken there as late as 18th century. That was the last surviving Germanic language from the East Germanic branch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post
    Crimea is such an interesting place. Supposedly Crimean Gothic was still spoken there as late as 18th century. That was the last living Germanic language from the East Germanic branch.
    Crimean Greeks (Mariupol Greeks) and also Crimean Coastal Tatars are very similar genetically to ancient Bosporan Greeks:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_Kingdom

    Ancient DNA sample KER_1 was a Bosporan Greek, his kit number on GEDmatch - MD6611828

    Crimean Steppe Tatars (who live away from the coast, in the interior of Crimea) are more Asiatic-admixed, probably Nogai.
    Last edited by Peterski; 03-22-2022 at 06:56 PM.

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    Loss of Crimea is a collective trauma in Turkey, especially for Turks with Tatar origins(some say up to 6mio but 2-4mio is more realistic).

    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    Crimean Greeks (Mariupol Greeks) and also Crimean Coastal Tatars are very similar genetically to ancient Bosporan Greeks:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_Kingdom

    Ancient DNA sample KER1 was a Bosporan Greek, his kit number on GEDmatch - MD6611828

    Crimean Steppe Tatars (who live away from the coast, in the interior of Crimea) are more Asiatic-admixed, probably Nogai.
    Most Tatars in Turkey which I saw were more Central Asian than Turks genetically, some and most Nogais are even more east eurasian than Turkmens(around 40%).

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    Yes but most Nogais did not live in the Crimean Peninsula. They lived in lands controlled by the Crimean Khanate, but outside of the peninsula mostly:

    https://nogai.blogspot.com/2014/04/n...nogaylari.html


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    There was also a community of Crimea-Germans

    https://culture.voicecrimea.com.ua/e...-who-are-they/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea_Germans

    In 1939, two years before their deportation to Central Asia, around 60,000 of the 1.1 million inhabitants of Crimea were German and "they had their own administrative raion in the Crimean Republic."

    german placenames on the crimea;

    Russisch // Deutsch
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    Abakly-Tama // Abakly-Tama
    Abay-Kuchuk // Abaj-Kutschuk
    Abrikosivka // Ungut
    Adyk // Adik
    Agay // Agaj
    Akhtachi // Achtatschi
    Akkuyu-Bitak // Akkuju-Bitak
    Aleksandrovka // Alexandrowka auf d.Krim
    Alekseyevka // Alexejewka auf d.Krim
    Almazne // Altwasserreich
    Annivka (bei Kolay // Kolaj) // Annenfeld b.Kolaj
    Annivka (bei Kurman-Kemelchi // Kurman-Kemeltschi) // Annowka auf d.Krim
    Annivka (bei Perekop // Perekop) // Annenfeld b.Perekop
    Asov // Asow
    Atay // Attai
    Aytugan Nemetskiy // Deutschajtugan
    Aytugan Tatarskiy // Tatar.Ajtugan
    Babenkovo // Essenely
    Balki // Argen
    Belogorsk // Karassubasar
    Beregove // Beregowoje auf d.Krim
    Beshtarem // Beschtarem
    Biybolush // Bijbolusch
    Biyuk-Kaban // Bijuk-Kaban
    Biyuk-Kardzhav // Bijuk-Kardschau
    Biyuk-Onlar // Bijuk-Onlar
    Boragan // Boragan
    Borangar // Borangar
    Bratske // Jalantsch
    Chayli // Tschaily
    Chely // Tschelle
    Chernyy Kosh // Tschornykosch
    Chervone // Deutschakscheich
    Chornomorske // Weimann
    Chornozemne // Neuwasserreich
    Dalnee // Burtsche
    Danilovskaya // Danilowka
    Dmitrovo // Kalmukara
    Dneprovka // Scheichely b.Dschankoj
    Dobre // Friedensfeld auf d.Krim
    Drovyanka // Beschewely
    Dzhankoy // Dschankoj
    Dzhelal // Dschelal
    Ekaterinivka // Jekaterinowka auf d.Krim
    Ekibash // Ekibasch
    Evpatoriya // Eupatoria
    Fedorivka // Fjodorowka auf d.Krim
    Feodosiya // Theodosia
    Fridental // Friedensthal auf d.Krim
    Furmanivka // Ettingerbrunn
    Furmanovo // Mamutbai
    Grigorivka // Grigorowka
    Gvardiyske // Syrt-Karaktschora
    Hlazivka // Bakschai
    Hlynka // Kangil
    Ivanivka // Iwanowka auf d.Krim
    Karacha-Kangil // Karatscha-Kangil
    Karakurt // Karakurt
    Karlivka // Karlowka
    Kaynash // Kajnasch
    Kelechi // Keletschi
    Kerch // Kertsch
    Kiyivka // Kiewka auf d.Krim
    Klepinino // Taschly-Kiptschak
    Kolay // Kolaj
    Kolodeznoe // Utschkuju-Tarchan
    Kommunarskoe // Kereit
    Kondratyevo // Johannesthal auf d.Krim
    Konstantinivka // Ibraimkonrat
    Kopan // Kopan
    Kormove // Togaily
    Kotelnikovo // Felsenbrunn
    Kotovske // Byten
    Kovilnoe // Toytebe
    Krasnoarmeyskoe (bei Agay // Agaj) // Kodschelak
    Krasnoarmeyskoe (bei Dzhelal // Dschelal) // Zindler
    Krasnoarmeyskoe (bei Feodosiya // Theodosia) // Ogustebe
    Krasnodarka // Kontschischawa
    Krasnogorka // Keneges
    Krasnogorsk // Neusatz auf d.Krim
    Krasnogorske // Friedenthal auf d.Krim
    Krayneye // Teschi
    Kremnevka // Tschokmak
    Kromovo // Kiptschak
    Krylivka (bei Evpatoriya // Eupatoria) // Ojber
    Krylivka (bei Krasnogorsk // Neusatz) // Kiabak
    Kudash // Kudasch
    Kurman-Kemelchi // Kurman-Kemeltschi
    Kurortne // Rosenthal auf d.Krim
    Lazarevka // Russisch Mengermen
    Likarstvenne // Kronenthal
    Litvinenkovo // Kentogaj
    Lobanovo // Bohemka
    Lokhovka // Deutschmengermen
    Lomonosovo // Baikogenly
    Lugovoe (bei Evpatoriya // Eupatoria) // Urtschuk
    Lugovoe (bei Simferopil // Simferopol) // Friedenstein
    Lyubimivka // Liebenthal auf d.Krim
    Makarivka // Tabor auf d.Krim
    Makivka // Konrat
    Marevka // Mariewka auf d.Krim
    Maryanivka // Marianowka auf d.Krim
    Maslovo // Tensu
    Medvedovo // Tabuldy
    Mirnovka // Dschurgun
    Mirolyubivka // Kendsche
    Mironivka // Bajaut
    Miroshnikovo // Dscheilaw
    Muskatnoe // Schönbrunn auf d.Krim
    Myrne // Freudenthal auf d.Krim
    Nahimova // Ludwigsthal auf d.Krim
    Nahodka // Tschambuldy
    Nevskoe // Hoffnungsthal auf d.Krim
    Nikolaevka // Nikolaidorf
    Nyva // Tegesch
    Ognevoe // Otesch
    Oktyabr // Baigantschek
    Oktyabrske // Dschaparjurt
    Ozerki // Barin
    Partyzany // Scheichely b.Theodosia
    Pavlivka // Pawlowka auf d.Krim
    Perekop // Perekop
    Pionerske // Herzenberg
    Plodove // Neuzürichthal
    Pobedne (bei Dzhankoy // Dschankoj) // Hoffnungsfeld auf d.Krim
    Pobedne (bei Sak // Saki) // Schiban
    Portove // Saribulat
    Pravdino // Aktasch
    Preobrashenka // Preobraschenka
    Privetnoe // Heilbronn auf d.Krim
    Prudy // Deutschablesch
    Ptashkino // Dschilketschely
    Pushkino // Essen auf d.Krim
    Rusakovka // Kokej
    Sak // Saki
    Sekizek // Sekisek
    Sergeevke // Sergejewka auf d.Krim
    Shabo // Schaba auf d.Krim (frz.: Chabo)
    Simferopil // Simferopol
    Simferopil-Gvardiyske // Simferopol-Spat
    Sinitsino // Barak
    Sizivka // Saja
    Slavyanskoe // Schirin
    Solenoe Ozero // Taganasch
    Spokoynoe // Termentschik
    Stepne (bei Evpatoriya // Eupatoria) // Moni
    Stepne (bei Simferopil // Simferopol) // Kambar
    Stroganivka // Mamak
    Sudak // Sudak
    Tabachne // Grünfeld auf d.Krim
    Tali-Ilyak // Tali-Iljak
    Tanino // Essingerbrunn
    Tarasivka // Sarona auf d.Krim
    Temir-Bulat // Philippsthal auf d.Krim
    Traktovoe // Dschuma-Ablam
    Trehprudnoe // Terkle
    Trudolyubivka // Taymas
    Tulat // Tulat
    Tyumen // Tjumen auf d.Krim
    Udachne // Ischun
    Udachne // Schönthal auf d.Krim
    Udarnoe // Botschala
    Ujutnoe // Eigenfeld auf d.Krim
    Uvarovo // Alibai
    Uyutne // Otar
    Varvarivka // Kiritschki
    Vasilevka // Wassiljewka auf d.Krim
    Velikaya Lepeticha // Großlepeticha
    Veselivka // Otar-Mojnak
    Vetvistoe // Fürstenfeld auf d.Krim
    Vinogradne (bei Kerch // Kertsch) // Tschokul
    Vinogradne (bei Simferopil // Simferopol) // Friedrichsfeld auf d.Krim
    Vladymirivka // Baikijat
    Vnukovo // Jaschpek
    Volochayevka // Ismailabai
    Vorobyevo // Kudaihul
    Vostochnoe // Utschkuju
    Vypasne // Meier
    Yasnaya Balka // Jasnajabalka
    Zaozerne // Jalimoynak
    Zareche // Monaj
    Zarechnoe // Towmay
    Zavet Leninskiy // Alkaly
    Zelenogorskoe // Aktschora
    Zernove // Tubey
    Zibini // Argantschik
    Zolote // Altai
    Zolote Pole // Zürichthal
    Zorkino // Dulat
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130617...Halbinsel-Krim

    Noch etwa 3 000 Menschen deutscher Abstammung leben heute auf der Krim. Sie haben die Eingliederung der Halbinsel in die Russische Föderation begrüßt. Manch ein Vertriebener könnte sich nun auch die Rückkehr in die alte Heimat auf der Krim vorstellen
    https://archive.ph/2014.05.14-101439...and_29227.html

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    No one has posted about the unique native Judeo-Tat-speaking Crimean Jews, the Krymchaks, who apparently
    were descended from an amalgam of several neighboring Jewish populations (Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, Romaniote etc).
    They were mainstream Rabbinic Jews, unlike the Crimean Karaites who were not.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymchaks
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymchaks

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    No one has posted about the unique native Judeo-Tat-speaking Crimean Jews, the Krymchaks, who apparently
    were descended from an amalgam of several neighboring Jewish populations (Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, Romaniote etc).
    They were mainstream Rabbinic Jews, unlike the Crimean Karaites who were not.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymchaks
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymchaks

    The Sedey-Hhemed, Rabbi Hhayyim Hhizqiahu Medini, הרב חיים חזקיהו מדיני, perhaps the most famous Krymchak Rabbi, known to all Orthodox Jews

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymch...0%BD%D0%B8.jpg
    Last edited by Targum; 03-22-2022 at 07:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Targum View Post
    No one has posted about the unique native Judeo-Tat-speaking Crimean Jews, the Krymchaks, who apparently
    were descended from an amalgam of several neighboring Jewish populations (Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, Romaniote etc).
    They were mainstream Rabbinic Jews, unlike the Crimean Karaites who were not.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymchaks
    Yes, there are also Crimean Karaites.

    I have Eurogenes K36 results for Crimean Karaites, Mariupol Greeks and Crimean Tatars (Coast & Steppe), but not for Krymchaks so far.

    But I have 4 example of Krymchak 23andMe results, I can post later.
    Last edited by Peterski; 03-22-2022 at 07:04 PM.

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