Crimea ethnic structure 1725-2001

[kingmob]

That's a wrong model. They are not a mixture of such modern populations. They are partially (I don't know what %) descended from the Tauri:

It's not a wrong model, it confirms what we know of the Crimean Pontic Greeks, that they are Pontics mixed with with Slavs and even Tatars in some cases, you are focusing on the 2-way mix of Ionic settlers + local Scythians, skipping 1k+ years of Byzantine history and admixture events (plus later migrations from the Peloponnese and the Aegean islands during Catherine the Great era).

Crimean Pontics share heavily IBDs with Pontics from Trebizond and the Caucasus.

Here's some info on those Urums I mentioned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urums

[vbnetkhio]

That's a wrong model. They are not a mixture of such modern populations. They are partially (I don't know what %) descended from the Tauri:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauri

We don't know how the Tauri looked like in terms of autosomal DNA. But I suspect they could have strong ties to the Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers.

KER1 was a Bosporan Greek and an ancestor of Azov Greeks (Mariupol Greeks / Crimean Greeks) - here are his scaled G25 coordinates:

KER_1,0.104717,0.125926,-0.010559,-0.034884,-0.008617,-0.017012,-0.002585,-0.004615,-0.023111,-0.000729,0.005196,-0.003747,-0.006541,0.002615,-0.002036,-0.005834,0.001043,-0.011402,-0.005782,0.004877,0.006239,0.011994,0.005916,0.008  073,-0.004431

wasn't that sample labeled as an Ostrogoth?

[kingmob]

wasn't that sample labeled as an Ostrogoth?

These are the Reich details on that one:

9029 Ker1.SG Ker1 KER_1 petrous 2018 VeeramahPNAS2018 Direct (WARNING MISSING LAB CODE): IntCal20 1604 47 255-413 calCE (1709±23 BP) .. Crimea_Pantikapaion.SG Crimea, Kerch, Pantikapaion, Mithridates hill Crimea 45.35059 36.468348 Shotgun .. 0.3681 373447 .. M n/a (no relatives detected) J2a1a1a2b2 .. .. .. HV9a .. .. .. .. .. .. .. -0.006 0.01 None [0,0.014] ds.minus LM7_5S,mt; LBC11_1mt; LBC11_2; LBC11_12; LBC16_10mt; LBC16_11t; LBC17_8mt PASS Literature]

[Rumata]

Being a part of Ukraine, Crimean Tatars had much better perspective to join Turkey than being a part of RF, let alone being a part of United Russia.

[Peterski]

wasn't that sample labeled as an Ostrogoth?

It was but for sure wrongly because this guy has no any Germanic admixture at all.

AFAIK he was buried in the same grave with the princess wearing the Kerch Crown:

https://www.smb.museum/typo3temp/ass...9f546de797.jpg

The ‘Crown of Kerch’. This diadem of a noble lady was discovered in a Migration-period tomb in Kerch, in the ancient city of Panticapaion, Crimea. It is inlayed with red, garnet gemstones. Late 4th/1st half of 5th Century AD. © Römisch-Germanisches Museum/Rheinisches Bildarchiv Cologne.



^^^
Maybe the princess was Ostrogothic, and he was her Bosporan Greek husband (a political marriage / alliance etc.)?

I wonder why didn't they publish DNA from that princess?

[Dorian]

Can you share the Crimean/Mariopol Greek K13s or K12bs, if you have them? My friend is trying to put them on his plot.

+1 Please share those OP and any kit number from Crimea

[vbnetkhio]

It was but for sure wrongly because this guy has no any Germanic admixture at all.

AFAIK he was buried in the same grave with the princess wearing the Kerch Crown:

https://www.smb.museum/typo3temp/ass...9f546de797.jpg

The ‘Crown of Kerch’. This diadem of a noble lady was discovered in a Migration-period tomb in Kerch, in the ancient city of Panticapaion, Crimea. It is inlayed with red, garnet gemstones. Late 4th/1st half of 5th Century AD. © Römisch-Germanisches Museum/Rheinisches Bildarchiv Cologne.



^^^
Maybe the princess was Ostrogothic, and he was her Bosporan Greek husband (a political marriage / alliance etc.)?

I wonder why didn't they publish DNA from that princess?

are you sure? he can be modelled like this:

Target: DEU_MA_ACD_Ostrogothic
Distance: 0.0201% / 0.02011624
42.8 SWE_IA
33.0 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
14.6 Scythian_MDA
9.6 GRC_Mycenaean

Scythian_MDA:scy192,0.124067,0.137096,0.015462,-0.020026,0.015695,-0.012829,0.00235,0.000692,0.001023,0.025878,0.009419,-0.000599,-0.006987,-0.008945,-0.013301,-0.009679,0.012908,0.004307,-0.000377,0.003502,-0.011729,0.009892,-0.004314,-0.004338,0.001796
Scythian_MDA:scy197,0.122929,0.140143,0.029415,-0.023902,0.023081,-0.012829,0.015511,-0.005307,0.00225,0.035172,-0.005846,-0.001349,-0.01115,0.000275,-0.010586,-0.0118,0.001434,-0.000127,0.013324,-0.010255,-0.004742,-0.000989,0.003328,-0.002771,-0.008981
Scythian_MDA:scy300,0.1161,0.140143,0.025644,-0.031331,0.016618,-0.005299,-0.001645,-0.007384,0.007772,0.033531,0.006983,0.006744,-0.00446,-0.000963,-0.0095,0.002254,-0.000782,0.004561,0.012318,-0.006503,-0.004118,0.012489,-0.00037,-0.000723,0.010298
Scythian_MDA:scy305,0.118376,0.126941,0.010936,-0.014212,0.017849,-0.006693,-0.001175,-0.001154,0.00225,0.022415,-0.003897,0.007343,-0.013974,0.008257,-0.010179,0.000663,-0.005476,0.004181,0.016341,-0.008254,-0.009234,0.005812,-0.007395,0.007471,0.002754
RUS_Alan_MA:DA146,0.106994,0.112724,-0.045632,0.000969,-0.028621,0.022869,0.011516,-0.014769,-0.06238,-0.039363,-0.000974,0.021881,-0.012785,-0.015276,0.019544,0.018695,-0.000652,-0.008995,0.005908,-0.008129,0.002496,0.012984,0.007395,0.004097,-0.004311
RUS_Alan_MA:DA160,0.105855,0.098506,-0.02489,-0.02584,-0.028313,-0.006972,0.008695,-0.008307,-0.040496,-0.013668,0.004709,0.003447,-0.025718,0.000413,-0.000814,-0.020817,-0.008996,-0.007348,-0.016718,0.003502,0.009608,0.006306,-0.003697,-0.009519,-0.008622
RUS_Alan_MA:DA162,0.10927,0.107646,-0.025267,-0.018411,-0.025851,0.001952,0.003525,-0.001615,-0.041927,-0.022233,0.002436,0.007793,-0.016501,-0.003441,0.004072,-0.004773,0.012517,-0.006334,-0.003268,0.003752,0.00262,-0.001113,-0.001232,-0.001325,-0.00012
RUS_Alan_MA:DA164,0.1161,0.102568,-0.014331,-0.004199,-0.024004,0.003626,-0.00235,-0.005307,-0.040087,-0.021139,0.007957,0.016186,-0.012933,-0.006055,0.002036,0.004243,0.018254,-0.000887,-0.010307,0.006628,0.001622,0.010758,0.006039,-0.000361,0.002036
RUS_Alan_MA:DA243,0.111547,0.101553,-0.01697,0.002584,-0.02462,0.004183,0.005875,-0.006231,-0.043564,-0.0277,0,-0.00015,-0.015461,-0.008533,0.004207,-0.011138,0.005737,-0.005954,-0.004274,0.011631,0.003119,0.00371,-0.000739,0.005061,-0.007305
GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
GRC_Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
SWE_IA:RISE174,0.122929,0.123895,0.067127,0.058463,0.041238,0.02008,0.005875,0.007615,0.002863,-0.009659,0.003735,0.001948,-0.006987,0.003853,0.020358,-0.006762,-0.015385,0.006461,0.009427,0.00025,0.00025,0.002844,0.002465,0.011447,0.000359
Levant_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH087,0.086506,0.133034,-0.060716,-0.106914,-0.024312,-0.047411,-0.007285,-0.013153,0.027406,0.023508,-0.005846,-0.008393,0.017691,0.001376,-0.010722,0.013922,0.005607,-0.003674,-0.004777,0.005002,-0.00025,0.001484,-0.008751,-0.003374,0.007424
Levant_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH135,0.069432,0.145221,-0.053174,-0.106591,-0.003693,-0.03263,-0.00047,-0.026307,0.016157,0.010205,0.011854,-0.004496,0.030624,-0.016652,-0.021987,0.009546,0.007953,-0.014442,-0.019232,0.00963,0.00574,0.007914,-0.005546,-0.01928,-0.002994
Levant_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8,0.080814,0.145221,-0.066373,-0.101422,-0.021542,-0.029562,-0.003055,-0.012923,0.003272,0.002005,0.012179,-0.008393,0.019475,0.003303,0.001086,0.010872,-0.00339,0.001394,0.007668,-0.003627,0.006988,0.001731,0,0.000241,0.003473
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA134,0.1161,0.054839,0.037335,0.057817,-0.033852,0.031236,0.00846,0.000231,-0.037223,-0.043554,0.001786,-0.005245,0.000149,-0.026974,0.02348,0.004508,-0.014473,-0.002154,-0.004777,-0.001126,-0.008859,0.01422,0.003697,0.008314,0.005029
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA136,0.113823,0.039606,0.039221,0.061047,-0.028005,0.020638,-0.007755,0.002077,-0.023111,-0.033349,-0.005521,0.006145,-0.004906,-0.03358,0.021308,0.030496,-0.002738,0.003927,-0.007793,0.009379,-0.010232,0.019166,-0.008011,0.003133,0.003592
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA139,0.104717,0.051792,0.02753,0.047481,-0.021235,0.015897,0.00094,-0.009461,-0.032724,-0.03262,-0.002111,-0.003597,-0.009217,-0.017478,0.015879,0.009149,0.01343,-0.012669,-0.003897,0.007754,-0.012728,-0.004699,-0.005546,0.009519,-0.000718
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA141,0.112685,0.039606,0.033564,0.073967,-0.031083,0.031236,0.00658,0.005538,-0.032928,-0.030616,-0.003085,-0.005245,-0.010406,-0.026974,0.018322,0.020021,0.000652,0.000507,-0.001383,-0.005878,-0.003369,0.000866,0.009367,0.014098,-0.000718
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA143,0.112685,0.054839,0.039598,0.07429,-0.033852,0.030678,0.00094,0.007384,-0.021066,-0.039545,-0.002761,-0.000899,-0.006838,-0.021056,0.019815,0.008221,-0.011735,-0.004814,-0.011187,5e-04,-0.005116,0.000866,0.002711,-0.005302,-0.000239
Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA144,0.10927,0.043668,0.032432,0.076874,-0.022158,0.030678,-0.00893,0.000231,-0.032724,-0.03991,-0.011367,-0.009591,0.010704,-0.02491,0.019679,0.004641,-0.001434,0.001014,0.00088,-0.000375,-0.023583,-0.001113,-0.001356,0.010122,0.011376

[Peterski]

are you sure? he can be modelled like this:

Target: DEU_MA_ACD_Ostrogothic
(...)

You just modeled a sample from Germany, not the one from Crimea.

This is the Crimean sample:

Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD:KER_1,0.104717,0.125926,-0.010559,-0.034884,-0.008617,-0.017012,-0.002585,-0.004615,-0.023111,-0.000729,0.005196,-0.003747,-0.006541,0.002615,-0.002036,-0.005834,0.001043,-0.011402,-0.005782,0.004877,0.006239,0.011994,0.005916,0.008073,-0.004431

[vbnetkhio]

You just modeled a sample from Germany, not the one from Crimea.

This is the Crimean sample:

Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD:KER_1,0.104717,0.125926,-0.010559,-0.034884,-0.008617,-0.017012,-0.002585,-0.004615,-0.023111,-0.000729,0.005196,-0.003747,-0.006541,0.002615,-0.002036,-0.005834,0.001043,-0.011402,-0.005782,0.004877,0.006239,0.011994,0.005916,0.008073,-0.004431

lol, it seems I did.

this is what the Crimean one gets:

Target: Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD:KER_1
Distance: 0.0230% / 0.02300566
47.4 RUS_Alan_MA
21.7 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
14.9 GRC_Mycenaean
9.2 SWE_IA
6.8 Scythian_MDA

[Peterski]

this is what the Crimean one gets:

Target: Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD:KER_1
Distance: 0.0230% / 0.02300566
47.4 RUS_Alan_MA
21.7 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
14.9 GRC_Mycenaean
9.2 SWE_IA
6.8 Scythian_MDA

^^^
If you tested a modern Mariupol Greek, he would get similar results in G25.

BTW, this map shows distribution of Greeks in the Russian Empire in 1897:

(the highest % was in Mariupol County)



^^^
I was mistaken when I said that Stalin moved them there. It was Catherine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_Greek

"The beginning of large-scale settlement of Greeks in the steppe region north of the Sea of Azov dates to the Russo-Turkish War (1768–74), when Catherine the Great of Russia invited Greeks of the Crimea to resettle to recently conquered lands (including founding Mariupol) to escape persecution in the then Muslim-dominated Crimea.[6]"