Race in the USA in 1880 by state

[Peterski]

Table with data:

https://i.imgur.com/YXbls7e.png



BTW - when making that table I used not just Census Bureau data but also Office of Indian Affairs data.

Because the Census Bureau in 1880 counted only taxed Indians. Those not taxed were counted by OoIA.

Indians taxed - 66407
Indians not taxed - 240136
Indians in Alaska - 32996 (counted by special agent Ivan Petrof)
TOTAL - 339539

I suspect that those 600 with "unknown" race in Florida could also be Indians (Seminole remnants) - so:

TOTAL - 340139

I also confronted 1880 data with pre-contact data (but this data is incomplete, many tribes are missing):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popula...tions_by_tribe

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Comparison by macro-region (pre-contact / early contact population vs. 1880 and % remaining in 1880):



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Figures for Mexican Cession are without California, which is counted separately. This is how I counted it:



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BTW, between 1880 and 1890 Indian population further declined by 20% (from 340,000 to 274,000).

There is no exact Indian census data before 1880 (in 1870 numbers were based mostly on estimates). But I suppose that in previous decades (1870-1880, 1860-1870 and so on) losses were also at least 20% per decade, or higher. So perhaps in 1870 there were at least 425,000 Indians, in 1860 at least 531,000 Indians, in 1850 at least 664,000 - etc.

[gixajo]

I wonder why states with high % of race "not reported" correlate with states with high % of Amerindians:

(perhaps an additional number of Natives is "hiding" within those whose race was not reported & others)

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Maybe what they tried to hide was "Hispanics".

[SilverKnight]

I wonder why states with high % of race "not reported" correlate with states with high % of Amerindians:

(perhaps an additional number of Natives is "hiding" within those whose race was not reported & others)

Table with data - https://i.imgur.com/EnYoogK.png

Holy shit, California went from 88.3% , to well bellow 40% now a days.

[Peterski]

Maybe what they tried to hide was "Hispanics".

Actually I double-checked it and it turns out they were Asians (105,608 Asians among those 106,228).

I updated the table.

Holy shit, California went from 88.3% , to well bellow 40% now a days.

But I think they counted Hispanic Mestizos as White in that 1880 census.

[SilverKnight]

Actually I double-checked it and it turns out they were Asians (105,608 Asians among those 106,228).

I updated the table.



But I think they counted Hispanic Mestizos as White in that 1880 census.

Umm, even if was @ 70- 75% (non hispanic -white) it's still an incredible difference from now.

[Peterski]

Yeah but only after the genocide of California Indians (reduced from 340 thousand in 1769 to 20 thousand in 1880 - only 6% of the pre-contact number).

[gixajo]

Actually I double-checked it and it turns out they were Asians (105,608 Asians among those 106,228).

I updated the table.



But I think they counted Hispanic Mestizos as White in that 1880 census.

It´s curious that in 1880 they had not yet entered the anti-Hispanic propaganda. It could be that all this started when they began to covet Cuba and try to erode the image and heritage of Spain, to promote their independentism before provoking the war.

[gixajo]

Actually I double-checked it and it turns out they were Asians (105,608 Asians among those 106,228).

I updated the table.



But I think they counted Hispanic Mestizos as White in that 1880 census.

It´s curious that in 1880 they had not yet entered the anti-Hispanic propaganda. It could be that all this started when they began to covet Cuba and try to erode the image and heritage of Spain, to promote their independentism before provoking the war.

[Peterski]

It´s curious that in 1880 they had not yet entered the anti-Hispanic propaganda.

But counting Mestizos as non-whites is not propaganda. And many among the Californios and New Mexicans were mixed-race, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%ADo_Pico - Pio Pico, the last governor of California before American invasion

"His paternal grandmother, María Jacinta de la Bastida, was listed in the 1790 census as mulata, meaning mixed race with African ancestry.[2] His paternal grandfather, Santiago de la Cruz Pico, was described as a Mestizo (Native American-Spanish) in the same census.[2] Santiago de la Cruz Pico was one of the soldiers who accompanied Juan Bautista de Anza on the expedition that left Tubac, Arizona for California in 1775 to explore the region and colonize it.[3]

Pio Pico and his siblings were thus of African, Native American and Spanish ancestry."

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Apparently such people were counted as Whites in the 1880 census (Pio Pico too, because he was still alive in 1880 and lived in California).

[gixajo]

But counting Mestizos as non-whites is not propaganda. And many among the Californios and New Mexicans were mixed-race, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%ADo_Pico - Pio Pico, the last governor of California before American invasion

"His paternal grandmother, María Jacinta de la Bastida, was listed in the 1790 census as mulata, meaning mixed race with African ancestry.[2] His paternal grandfather, Santiago de la Cruz Pico, was described as a Mestizo (Native American-Spanish) in the same census.[2] Santiago de la Cruz Pico was one of the soldiers who accompanied Juan Bautista de Anza on the expedition that left Tubac, Arizona for California in 1775 to explore the region and colonize it.[3]

Pio Pico and his siblings were thus of African, Native American and Spanish ancestry."

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Apparently such people were counted as Whites in the 1880 census (Pio Pico too, because he was still alive in 1880 and lived in California).

What I am referring to is simply that in 1880 they still did not use the label of "Hispanic" or "Spanish".