Upper-middle class Londoners vs upper-middle class Parisians - compare and contrast

[Tooting Carmen]

Here you have yellow jackets (so mostly lower class and lower middle class) from a city between Bourgogne and Lyon. So center-east of the country.

As is often the case with the native French in general, to me they look intermediate between British people and Northern Italians.

[Oliver109]

And also in Britain's case, like I explained in another thread, we shouldn't assume that smaller towns are necessarily more 'native' than the big cities. After all, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh are much whiter than the likes of Crawley, Watford, Nelson and Batley. (Granted, Liverpool and Glasgow in particular have loads of Irish descendants, but in any case the Irish are still an integral part of the British Isles family).

True, though small towns in their nature tend to be less mixed, more segregated, for example somewhere like High Wycombe or Dewsbury would have the natives mixing with the natives, not sure how it is in France but then they dont publish statistics really on that matter.

[French Rolland]

For immigration, the place with most recent immigration (third worlders) are big cities, industrial cities of middle size, ports, and leftist leaning cities where the mayors created a lot of public housing (Cités/ HLM)
Marseille is all of this.

[Tooting Carmen]

How is that high in the UK? I thought it would be max 10% for all of the UK. Surprised about how high it is in France too.

Well around 15% of the UK population is foreign-born (similar percentage to France). In addition, there are lots of second and even third-generation Caribbeans, West Africans, South Asians and from slightly further back Jews and Eastern Europeans. (Whether we should also regard Irish ancestry as being 'foreign' as such is debatable itself, but if we do then that 30% figure would certainly be not far off).

[Tooting Carmen]

For immigration, the place with most recent immigration (third worlders) are big cities, industrial cities of middle size, ports, and leftist leaning cities where the mayors created a lot of public housing (Cités/ HLM)
Marseille is all of this.

Funnily enough, Nice didn't strike me as being that multiracial, and even Toulon was middle-of-the-road, so to speak.

[French Rolland]

Nice is an expensive area so most of the immigration are rich people from whole europe. Toulon is a military place so a lot of people brought their family from the whole country.

[Tooting Carmen]

Nice is an expensive area so most of the immigration are rich people from whole europe. Toulon is a military place so a lot of people brought their family from the whole country.

In Britain there is essentially a Pakistani belt stretching from Lancashire and Greater Manchester to West Yorkshire. Is there an equivalent Algerian/Maghrebi belt in France?

[French Rolland]

I would say from Toulouse to Perpignan, then from Perpignan to Toulon. The med coast is filled with maghrebis since the climate is similar, and they first dwelled here to work.

[Tooting Carmen]

I would say from Toulouse to Perpignan, then from Perpignan to Toulon. The med coast is filled with maghrebis since the climate is similar, and they first dwelled here to work.

Like I said, Toulon struck me as being mid-level in terms of multiracialism. But aren't there also lots of Maghrebi along the East - Lille, Lyon, Strasbourg etc?

[French Rolland]

Maghrebis are in great number in Lille metropolitan area, Lyon a bit but they aren't stretching around since Lyon is enclosed by the Alps and the central massif. Strasbourg it's mostly turkish people. Probably the only area with an huge number of turks in France, at the german border.