Italians are darker than Greeks

[Kess]

The southern italians are darker than greeks.

No, they are on par with each other.

[Melkiirs]

Halt! You’ve gone too far and you are really unfair, Milkaner! You cannot use Nordic or Scandinavian blondness as a standard for Southern European populations. Due to the fact that Scandinavian populations comparatively to most populations are excessively blond-haired. In other words, blondness reaches its “peak” in that part of Northern Europe. There are many shades of blond hair by the way. You need an update, fellow. For example in Sweden, approximately 54% of the population can be classified as blond-haired. Nevertheless, this isn’t just light or pale blond hues, but the many various hues of blond hair spectrum. For Southern Europeans in particular, blonde shades are usually of the darkest hues. This is why oftentimes, a person considered as blond in Italy or Greece, etc… might be still seen as a brunette in Denmark or Sweden. Regardless, this doesn’t make that person a non - blonde. Honestly, I personally only consider light blond hair as blond. This doesn’t make me right! In the same way 10.7% of the Greek population is blonde of various shades, most likely including brownish - blonde shades.

If you consider at least Fischer number #8 blond as opposed to light brown then light brown hair apparently does not exist for you. I guess by 10.7% you mean light brown to blond. #9-12 + #26 is dirty blond to dark blond hair, while #8 is just light brown which happens to be the most common hair color in Norwegian young adults males according to Bryn. Under the standards where 10.7% of Greeks are blond the vast majority of Scandinavian young adults are too, much higher than 54%. This study from Bryn found about 70% light brown to blond (https://www.jstor.org/stable/2953475...6ce41d0&seq=11).

Here is the Fischer scale:

[Incal]

If Lower Central Italy (Lazio) is still blonder than Greeks Italy overall must be blonder as well. The Italian population is more concentrated in the North than the South.

Due to internal migrations.

Excuse me? Yes, some parts of northern Italy are much blonder-haired than Greece as a whole. These northern Italians in pigmentation are similar to people in neighboring Western and Central European lands. However these northern Italians are a minority even within the entire northern Italy. They are not your average northern Italian who is still generally darker-haired and darker-eyed than them.

Where did I mention they are majority?

No, they are on par with each other.

That's not what I saw when I was there: Italy is a country with more contrasts among its population.

[Tauromachos]

Thing is however that some Islanders, Cretans, have some subgroups which are somehow lighter than the average. But they can't be explained by Slavic invasions, considering the latter didn't even reach the islands. But, what do you mean light phenos? Craniometrics or hair/eye colour?

All Greeks have some people with light features

You can find very fair type people among Pontians,Aegean Islanders,Anatolian Greeks and even Cyrpriots.

But the very light or blond phenotype has never been a majority for Greeks, the majority in Greece is people with brunette till dark brown and black hairs
and dark eyes.

This has been like this since Ancient Greece, for evidence consider the art depictions like ornaments or colored vase paintings of people from that time,
and it is still so today

[Zeno]

All Greeks have some people with light features

You can find very fair type people among Pontians,Aegean Islanders,Anatolian Greeks and even Cyrpriots.

But the very light or blond phenotype has never been a majority for Greeks, the majority in Greece is people with brunette till dark brown and black hairs
and dark eyes.

This has been like this since Ancient Greece, for evidence consider the art depictions like ornaments or colored vase paintings of people from that time,
and it is still so today

I know, there's no need to explain this to me.

We always have had a minority of blonds here, who were always just that: a minority.

Most of our blonds are dark blond however. If by "true blond" (even though it isn't exclusive) that is, very light blond, then less than 5% of adult Greeks have that hair colour. And I'm too generous here.

[Tauromachos]

Most of our blonds are dark blond however. If by "true blond" (even though it isn't exclusive) that is, very light blond, then less than 5% of adult Greeks have that hair colour. And I'm too generous here.

No big deal, anywhere you go in Greece also where i spend most of my time when i'm in Greece that is in the Aegean Islands you find a few people among the natives with true blond hair but its more rare than brunette or dark haired folks in Greece.
Even in Ancient Greece there were a few real blond
people, blond hair was high esteemed or considered beautiful by the Ancient Greeks sometimes even regarded as divine precisely because it was relativly rare.