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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Albanians in Macedonia carry out assimilation policies toward Turks, which is something Macedonians don't. Ohrid Framework Agreement was a mistake because it provided many rights for Albanians whilst ignoring the rest (Turks, Roma, Torbeshi...) The Democracy attempt by Macedonians was something revolutionary for the Balkans and should be appreciated. But now Albanians, who have got specific power in their hands, lack the same reflex. The purpose of OFA was to protect the status quo in terms of ethnicities in the region, but it didn't due to the Albanian rural population. Macedonians now try to ally with Turks and integrate them into the society, but it is kinda too late when a 15% population decreased to 3% due to the migrations to Turkey. The same was seen in Bulgaria, they literally kicked Turks out and are now in the position to beg them to come back, because their population is disappearing.

    When thinking about how they increased their % in the last dozens of years, in the following years seeing an Albanian majority in North Macedonia would not be surprising.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wizz View Post
    Never heard of any assimilation policies towards Turks but I've heard the Slavs there used assimilation policies on Albanians. The number of Albanians there was also larger before 1937 but the Serbs carried out policies of murder and expulsion on the populations there.
    Macedonian Turks outside of Štip area who are Yörüks are turkified Torbeshi or not even turkified but Torbeshi who are self declared Turks (many of them don't know Turkish language).
    Number of Torbeshi in Macedonia on the census in 1981 officially was only 39 555. Their number should be quite bigger, up to 100 000. Majority of Torbeshi in the last several decades are self declared Turks.
    Albanization of "Turks" in recent time in western Macedonia is happening, but anyway that people are just Torbeshi. Real Turks from eastern Macedonia are not affected with albanization and never will be. Torbeshi who never declared themselves as Turks are also affected with albanization in recent years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Macedonian Turks outside of Štip area who are Yörüks are turkified Torbeshi or not even turkified but Torbeshi who are self declared Turks (many of them don't know Turkish language) . Number of Torbeshi in Macedonia on the census in 1981 officially was only 39 555. Their number should be quite bigger, up to 100 000. Majority of Torbeshi in the last several decades are self declared Turks.
    Albanization of "Turks" in recent time in western Macedonia is happening, but anyway that people are just Torbeshi. Real Turks from eastern Macedonia are not affected with albanization and never will be. Torbeshi who never declared themselves as Turks are also affected with albanization in recent years.
    Macedonia was a major Turkish settlement during the Ottomans, now inducing the spreading of Turks to only a few cities is not making any sense. What you stated only applies to Central Jupa and around. Tetovo - Gostivar, Kocacık - Ohrid, and Skopje are also Turks as much as the ones in Eastern Macedonia and can speak Turkish fluently -proven by my own experience, Ottoman iskân registers, and genetics-. Those Yörüks around Radovis were just a small marginal community once and now acting as if they are only actual Turks is something completely wrong. Besides, Albanianization doesn't affect rural Turks but the ones who live in the towns. The Turkish community in the Balkans is very resistant to assimilation, however, in the cities such as Gostivar where they are sociologically pressured by Albanians usually results in intermarriage with them. The scarcity of Turkish schools causes Turkish children to study in Albanian schools as well. As an example of what I said. Examine how the suffix "-i" has been added to the end of the surnames of Turks in the last 20 years, just as in Albanians. This is due to the tendency of Albanian officials in this direction.
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    The Census is totally staged , we all knew the results even before it started, Macedonians didn't sign for this census , me personally didn't , all my friends didn't , even ALbanians knew the census is staged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    The Census is totally staged , we all knew the results even before it started, Macedonians didn't sign for this census , me personally didn't , all my friends didn't , even ALbanians knew the census is staged.
    Do u even count as Macedonian? I thought u were some north Turanian ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    There were only 129,645 Albanians in North Macedonia in census 1931, and only 355,517 in Serbia.

    Their number exploded under Titos communist regime in both Serbia and North Macedonia.
    Tito brought them into Serbia without allowing expelled Serbs to return. I wonder why Albanians had the highest membership to the league of commies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    North Macedonia is currently just little over 50% Macedonian and Orthodox.
    They are not Orthodox though.
    They are schismatic. Autochephalus churches of Serbia and Bulgaria barely recognize them

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