Are Italians the darkest continental Europeans?

[Laredo]

What?! You don't like the picture?

It doesn't bother me, or what you are trying to say those mexicans look like me? lol If that makes you happy than believe In what ever you want.

[Septentrion]

1. This admixture map is wrong, like everything done by Maciamo.
2. All pigmentation studies done by physical anthropologists show that Italians are not the darkest continental Europeans. The Portuguese are consistently the darkest, followed by southern Spaniards, southern Italians and Greeks.

The problem is that Southern Italy is even darker than Southern Portugal. The Greeks on the other hand are specifically more brown-eyed than either Italians or Iberians.

[alnortedelsur]

Why would be ridiculous just because I said my 7th grade algebra teach looked straight out of Pakistan? He was definitely an ethnic Portuguese he spoke Portuguese and had the surnames as well.

It's even more ridiculous you and your other countryman chimping out of a single comment. Trust me I have nothing against Portugal or the people or tell me you see me trolling opening threads about Portugal and trolling Portuguese? Of course not.

No the same experience that I had with Portuguese and Portuguese descendants back in Venezuela, who were far from your ridiculous claims about them looking swarthy, exotic and pseudo Pakistani.

[Septentrion]

OP correctly named Estonians, Scandinavians, Finns as the lightest Europeans, in both hair and eye color, then he also included Ireland and Scotland which surprised me, to which I responded that the Irish are darker-haired than for e.g. Ukrainians and Slovakians.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7523186

Pigmentation of Italians and other Southern Europeans is of zero interest for me, thus I sticked to the other end of European spectrum, considering that such topic was also touched in the original post.

The Irish and Scottish people are not darker-haired or -eyed or -skinned than Central Europeans such as Slovakians or Eastern Europeans such as Ukrainians. Ukrainians as a whole are darker-haired and darker-eyed than European Russians. Get your facts straight, OK. They are far from dark in the first place. In fact nearly 90% of the Irish and Scottish people have light eyes, this is as light-eyed as the blondest regions of Scandinavia. Blue eyes are commonplace in Ireland or Scotland. The skin color of the Irish and Scottish is typically «*Celtic in complexion*» ( pale white with inability to tanning) in the vast majority of cases. It is lighter as a whole than the blondest regions of Scandinavia. Hair color is less frequently blond than most regions of Scandinavia, Finland, Estonia and Latvia, but isn’t darker than in Central or Eastern Europe.

[Septentrion]

OP correctly named Estonians, Scandinavians, Finns as the lightest Europeans, in both hair and eye color, then he also included Ireland and Scotland which surprised me, to which I responded that the Irish are darker-haired than for e.g. Ukrainians and Slovakians.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7523186

Pigmentation of Italians and other Southern Europeans is of zero interest for me, thus I sticked to the other end of European spectrum, considering that such topic was also touched in the original post.

In the GWAS study on the pigmentation of four European populations ( Ireland, Italy, Poland and Portugal) in 2012. The following results concerning skin, hair and eye colors. The conclusion of the study found the Irish people to be lighter-skinned, lighter-haired and lighter-eyed than Polish, Portuguese and obviously the Italians. So please, don’t come with your Irish and Scottish darker than mere Slovaks and poor Ukrainians.

The pigment index ( Lower scores mean lower levels of melanin)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ort=objectonly

[Nicolaus]

The Irish and Scottish people are not darker-haired or -eyed or -skinned than Central Europeans such as Slovakians or Eastern Europeans such as Ukrainians. Ukrainians as a whole are darker-haired and darker-eyed than European Russians. Get your facts straight, OK. They are far from dark in the first place. In fact nearly 90% of the Irish and Scottish people have light eyes, this is as light-eyed as the blondest regions of Scandinavia. Blue eyes are commonplace in Ireland or Scotland. The skin color of the Irish and Scottish is typically «*Celtic in complexion*» ( pale white with inability to tanning) in the vast majority of cases. It is lighter as a whole than the blondest regions of Scandinavia. Hair color is less frequently blond than most regions of Scandinavia, Finland, Estonia and Latvia, but isn’t darker than in Central or Eastern Europe.

I think instead the typical skin tone is like the phototype 2, in the irish and scottish, the large majority of them can tan at least a little bit.

[Septentrion]

Less than 2% are naturally blonde-haired in Sardinia. It is probably the lowest frequency of blondness in the European continent outside of the European part of Turkey. I might be wrong though, who knows?

[Septentrion]

I think instead the typical skin tone is like the phototype 2, in the irish and scottish, the large majority of them can tan at least a little bit.

Not! Typical doesn’t mean majority, rather means distinct. What distinguishes the translucent Irish and Scottish from other Europeans is their very high frequency of skin type I. This is why that skin type is nicknamed “Celtic”. OK.

[renaissance12]

Less than 2% are naturally blonde-haired in Sardinia. It is probably the lowest frequency of blondness in the European continent outside of the European part of Turkey. I might be wrong though, who knows?

Sardinia and Calabria have very few blonde haired people.. 2% .. is ok.. But there is a difference.. in Calabria more than 15% of the people looK MENA..

In Sardinia NO! .. they have dark hair but the facial traits are not MENA..

This is the tipical face in SARDINIA..( and they are very short.. 1.65/.1.70 CM )



The Sardinian people, even if they live on an island, have always been very isolated inside ( where there are mountains ) .
Even in the times of Rome, the interior of Sardinia was not very "romanized"...
I would say almost unknown.
The ancient Romans had no interest in wasting time and resources in areas that they didn't care at all.
They have square faces.. even angular.. A trait common to many people in Sardinia..

This is the tipical face in CALABRIA

[Septentrion]

Sardinia and Calabria have very few blonde haired people.. 2% .. is ok.. But there is a difference.. in Calabria more than 15% of the people looK MENA..

In Sardinia NO! .. they have dark hair but the facial trait are not MENA..

This is the tipical face in SARDINIA..( and they very short.. 1.65/.1.70 CM )



The Sardinian people, even if they live on an island, have always been very isolated inside ( where ther are mountains ) .
Even in the times of Rome, the interior of Sardinia was not very "romanized"...
I would say almost unknown.
The ancient Romans had no interest in wasting time and resources in areas that they didn't care at all.
They have square faces.. even angular.. A trait common to many people in Sardinia..

This is the tipical face in CALABRIA

Ok. I see what you mean. In this case, Sardinians might have a very low frequency of blondness but have kept a stronger “European cast” than those from Calabria. When I think of Calabria, I see very beautiful, very dark-haired women.