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    Arrow Kherson Seeks Independence.

    Kherson Region Seeks Independence From Ukraine?





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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverKnight View Post
    Beautiful Sovietic "banner of Victory" to celebrate it et 2:46.

    What were Ukranians? Nazi-Jews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Beautiful Sovietic "banner of Victory" to celebrate it et 2:46.

    What were Ukranians? Nazi-Jews?
    Watching R1a broders killing each other saddens me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverKnight View Post
    Putin seeks independence (read puppet state) of Kherson because it's crucial to securing freshwater canals to Crimea
    fixed.

    The same old trick used in Crimea and Donbas, proving that the whole "separatist Republics" thing is BULLSHIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    fixed.

    The same old trick used in Crimea and Donbas, proving that the whole "separatist Republics" thing is BULLSHIT.
    People can't be this stupid?

    10,000 people have died in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the hands of Azov Battalions in 2014 because people dared to speak Russian.

    This is the Minsk agreement which Jewlensky forfeit on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    People can't be this stupid?

    10,000 people have died in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the hands of Azov Battalions in 2014 because people dared to speak Russian.

    This is the Minsk agreement which Jewlensky forfeit on it.
    He's just an Italian brainwashed NATO puppet ignore him. Just like many here, he's living in this Bubble, a lie. I'm glad I got out of that lie a long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    People can't be this stupid?

    10,000 people have died in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the hands of Azov Battalions in 2014 because people dared to speak Russian.

    This is the Minsk agreement which Jewlensky forfeit on it.
    I'm pretty sure the figure is around 3500 civilians in total from the Donbas region and roughly 3.5k from both sides armed forces. Plus roughly 25k injured.

    All those prior to the second more recent Russian invasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesno View Post
    I'm pretty sure the figure is around 3500 civilians in total from the Donbas region and roughly 3.5k from both sides armed forces. Plus roughly 25k injured.

    All those prior to the second more recent Russian invasion.
    According to United Nations official statement not Jewlensky it's 10k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    10,000 people have died in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the hands of Azov Battalions in 2014
    If anything, from 2014 to 2022, and that figure mixes civilians with Russian and pro-Russian armed forces.

    This is the "mass destruction" of the civilian population... And despite the fact that the number of victims was continuously decreasing over the years, the Kremlin continued to sell the lie of the "Ukrainian threat".





    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    because people dared to speak Russian.
    Nearly 50% of the Ukrainian population uses Russian at home (whether first or second language) and even in Kiev, Russian dominates in informal communication. On the other hand it is well known that a people of Nazis as Ukrainians are, elect a president that besides being Jewish, is also a native Russian speaker!

    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    This is the Minsk agreement which Jewlensky forfeit on it.
    By the way...

    https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-e...-2022-01-24_en

    Myth: “In any case, Russia is not responsible for the current tensions in Ukraine. Ukraine has deliberately violated the Minsk agreements and the West is further arming Ukraine. Russia needs to react swiftly by defending its borders. The provocation comes from the West.”

    False. In fact, it is Russia that amassed 140,000 troops and equipment on the borders of Ukraine including in the illegally annexed Crimean peninsula.

    Russia is a party to the Minsk agreements, and these are the most recent formal documents in which Russia has affirmed Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. Russia has however not delivered on its side of the implementation of the Minsk agreements. The Russian side and its proxies have failed to implement a ceasefire, withdraw all heavy weapons, implement all-for-all political prisoner exchange, or ensure delivery of humanitarian assistance based on an international mechanism. On the contrary, Russia has been strengthening the illegal armed formations in eastern Ukraine. Russia also does not allow for unfettered access of OSCE SMM monitors, including to the Ukraine-Russia border, where the (very limited) monitoring mission was discontinued due to a Russian veto in summer 2021.


    Without the full implementation of the ceasefire, the withdrawal of heavy weapons as well as permission for the full access to all territories for the OSCE monitoring mission, it is difficult to discuss implementation of the political parts of Minsk II. Nevertheless, Ukraine implemented as much of the Minsk agreements as can reasonably be done while not having control over the territory and addressed every point. It has passed – and extended with renewals – legislation on special status and amnesty (2014), and prepared draft legislation on local elections (2014). Ukraine passed constitutional amendments to provide more autonomy to the territories currently outside its control (2015).
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverKnight View Post
    He's just an Italian brainwashed NATO puppet ignore him. Just like many here, he's living in this Bubble, a lie. I'm glad I got out of that lie a long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesno View Post
    I'm pretty sure the figure is around 3500 civilians in total from the Donbas region and roughly 3.5k from both sides armed forces. Plus roughly 25k injured.

    All those prior to the second more recent Russian invasion.
    It must be said that the whole world believes in the genocide of Russians by Ukrainians.

    There was limited support for separatism in the Donbas before the outbreak of the war, and little evidence of support for an armed uprising.[55] Russian claims that Russian speakers in the Donbas were being persecuted or even subjected to "genocide" by the Ukrainian government, forcing its hand to intervene, were false.[54][56]
    Russia officially recognised the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics on 21 February 2022,[79][80] effectively killing the Minsk agreements.[81] Russia subsequently launched a new, full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, which Russian president Vladimir Putin said was intended to "protect" the people of the Donbas from the "abuse" and "genocide" of the Ukrainian government.[82][83] There is no evidence to support Putin's claims.[84][85] The DPR and LPR joined Russia's operation; the separatists stated that an operation to capture the entirety of Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast had begun.[86]
    In the months preceding the invasion, Russian officials accused Ukraine of inciting tensions, Russophobia, and the repression of Russian speakers in Ukraine. They also made multiple security demands of Ukraine, NATO, and non-NATO allies in the EU. These actions were described by commentators and Western officials as attempts to justify war.[257][258] On 9 December 2021 Putin said that "Russophobia is a first step towards genocide".[259][260] Putin's claims were dismissed by the international community,[261] and Russian claims of genocide have been widely rejected as baseless.[262][263][264]
    In 2022, Russian state media told stories of genocide and mass graves full of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. One set of graves outside Luhansk was dug when intense fighting in 2014 cut off the electricity in the local morgue. Amnesty International investigated 2014 Russian claims of mass graves filled with hundreds of bodies and instead found isolated incidents of extrajudicial executions by both sides.[373][374][375]
    Spokesmen of Russian state media, the breakaway Donetsk People Republic, or Vladimir Putin have made unsubstantiated claims of aggression by NATO or Ukraine against Russian citizens, including assassination,[1] sabotage,[2] genocide,[44] and the development of bio-weapons[45] including birds carrying fatal diseases.[46]
    In mid February 2022, Russian president Vladimir Putin claimed that Ukraine was carrying out genocide in Donbas.[44] Putin's claims were dismissed by the international community,[47] and Russian claims of genocide have been widely rejected as baseless.[48][44][3] The European Commission has also rejected the allegations as "Russian disinformation".[49] The US embassy in Ukraine called the Russian genocide claim a "reprehensible falsehood".[50] Ned Price, a spokesperson for the US State Department, said that Moscow was making such claims as an excuse for invading Ukraine.[51]Russian media also frequently blamed Ukraine for 8 years of war in Donbas, while the war was started by Russian forces crossing into Ukraine in April 2014 and carrying out military activities since.[52]
    On 9 December 2021, Putin spoke of discrimination against Russian speakers outside Russia, saying: "I have to say that Russophobia is a first step towards genocide. You and I know what is happening in Donbass. It certainly looks very much like genocide."[229][230] Russia also condemned the Ukrainian language law.[231][232][233] On 15 February 2022, Putin told the press: "What is going on in Donbas is exactly genocide."[234] Several international organizations, including the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR),[235][236] OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine,[237][failed verification] and the Council of Europe found no evidence supporting the Russian claims.[238] The genocide allegations have been rejected by the European Commission as Russian disinformation.[239]

    The US embassy in Ukraine described Russian genocide claims as "reprehensible falsehood",[240] while the Spokesperson for the US Department of State, Ned Price said the Russian government was making such claims as "an excuse for invading Ukraine".
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