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    The word Dönme means ‘convert’ in Turkish. The Dönme community represents the adherents of the self-proclaimed Jewish messiah, Sabbatai Sevi (1626–1676).
    Sevi, who lived in the Ottoman Empire and managed to attract a group of believers to his messianic claims, was forced to convert to Islam by the Ottoman authorities. This led him to lose the majority of his followers. Those who continued to believe him formed the Dönme community. Although they converted to Islam like Sevi, they maintained their faith. This crypto-Judaic community appeared to be Muslims in public life, and attempted to preserve their secret by avoiding marrying outsiders. The majority of the Dönmes lived in Salonica during the period of Ottoman rule until the early 20th century. After the city became a part of Greece, most migrated to Turkey. While there is no official information about the current demographics of the Dönme community, Sisman estimates that there are around eighty thousand people of Dönme origin in Turkey, of which only three to four thousand still believe in Sevi’s messiahship.

    Since the early 20th century, conspiracy theories accused Dönmes of secretly manipulating Turkish society and politics. The conspiratorial rhetoric initially emerged after Theodor Herzl wanted to buy Palestine from the Ottoman Empire in 1899 in order to establish a state there. The Ottoman ruler, Sultan Abdulhamid II, did not grant the request , and in 1908, he was toppled by a coup d’etat. Some conspiratorial accounts claimed that the coup was Jewish revenge for his refusal to sell Palestine and used the involvement of Dönme Mehmed Cavid Bey and Jewish-freemason Emmanuel Carosso in the coup as supporting evidence of the conspiracy. We can identify three distinct periods for the conspiracy theories about Dönmes in modern Turkey: the single party era (1923–1950), the multi-party democracy era (1950–1990), and the current era beginning after 1990.

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    He was either Balkan Turkish or Torbeshi by paternal line, and either Balkan Turkish or Pomak by maternal line. Origin of his ancestors is well-documented and the villages/towns they belong to suggest these are the options. Other claims such as being Donmeh or Albanian don't really reflect the reality. The Donmeh claims were actually distributed by the UK and UK-supported Istanbul Sultanate during the Independence War so that people would not trust the Nationalist Movement, and it is still used by religious-conservative Turks as an urban myth.

    Culturally speaking, have reasons to believe that his father was of Turkish origin, we know some parts of his life and can clearly deduce it. His village is an ethnic Turkish village that is still present today but surrounded by Torbeshi villages.

    His mother has more potential to be non-Turkish (Pomak is the only option as Langaza inhabited by Turks and Pomaks only) but she was also claimed by Yoruk origin from Anatolia, so do not know exactly but odds shows, if you ask me, either a Turkish - Pomak mix or a full Turkish background.

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    No, only people who both hate Jews and dislike Ataturk say this, which is a fairly small intersection because people in Turkey usually love Ataturk. His picture is on all the walls like he's Jesus or something.

    We (the Jews) do not consider the Donmeh to be Jews ofc. It's very weird how there are still a few of those cultists left around. Anyway the 'evidence' he was a Donmeh is 'he was born in Salonika and there were Donmehs in Salonika' which is of course extremely fucking dumb as 'logic' goes, the same 'evidence' could show Teutone is a Turk because he was born in Germany which has 2-3 million Turks in it. Salonika was mostly Jewish (excluding Donmeh) with a large Turkish and small Greek minority when Ataturk was born.

    One of his attempted assassins was a Donmeh, though, click here. They didn't like him very much. Cavid was trying to avenge the slaughter of the Armenians; he had written in opposition to Ataturk's destruction of the Armenian people in 1915. I wonder how our friendly local WNs will interpret the Donmeh knowing that.
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    people in Turkey usually love Ataturk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varnali View Post
    He was either Balkan Turkish or Torbeshi by paternal line, and either Balkan Turkish or Pomak by maternal line. Origin of his ancestors is well-documented and the villages/towns they belong to suggest these are the options. Other claims such as being Donmeh or Albanian don't really reflect the reality. The Donmeh claims were actually distributed by the UK and UK-supported Istanbul Sultanate during the Independence War so that people would not trust the Nationalist Movement, and it is still used by religious-conservative Turks as an urban myth.

    Culturally speaking, have reasons to believe that his father was of Turkish origin, we know some parts of his life and can clearly deduce it. His village is an ethnic Turkish village that is still present today but surrounded by Torbeshi villages.

    His mother has more potential to be non-Turkish (Pomak is the only option as Langaza inhabited by Turks and Pomaks only) but she was also claimed by Yoruk origin from Anatolia, so do not know exactly but odds shows, if you ask me, either a Turkish - Pomak mix or a full Turkish background.
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