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    On Ukraine, the World Majority Sides with Russia Over U.S.
    Russia pivots to the dynamic East and fast developing Global South

    By John V. Walsh
    The Unz Review
    April 30, 2022




    2014 saw two pivotal events that led to the current conflict in Ukraine.

    The first, familiar to all, was the coup in Ukraine in which a democratically elected government was overthrown at the direction of the United States and with the assistance of neo-Nazi elements which Ukraine has long harbored.

    Shortly thereafter the first shots in the present war were fired on the Russian-sympathetic Donbass region by the newly installed Ukrainian government. The shelling of the Donbass which claimed 14,000 lives has continued for 8 years, despite attempts at a cease-fire under the Minsk accords which Russia, France and Germany agreed upon but Ukraine backed by the US refused to implement. On February 24, 2022, Russia finally responded to the slaughter in Donbass and the threat of NATO on its doorstep.

    Russia Turns to the East – China Provides an Alternative Economic Powerhouse.

    The second pivotal event of 2014 was less noticed and in fact rarely mentioned in the Western mainstream media. In November of that year according to the IMF, China’s GDP surpassed that of the U.S. in purchasing power parity terms (PPP GDP). (This measure of GDP is calculated and published by the IMF, World Bank and even the CIA. Students of international relations like economics Nobel Laureate, Joseph Stiglitz, Graham Allison and many others consider this metric the best measure of a nation’s comparative economic power.) One person who took note and who often mentions China’s standing in the PPP-GDP ranking is none other than Russia’s President Vladimir Putin.

    From one point of view, the Russian action in Ukraine represents a decisive turn away from the hostile West to the more dynamic East and the Global South. This follows decades of importuning the West for a peaceful relationship since the Cold War’s end. As Russia makes its Pivot to the East, it is doing its best to ensure that its Western border with Ukraine is secured.

    Following the Russian action in Ukraine, the inevitable U.S. sanctions poured onto Russia. China refused to join them and refused to condemn Russia. This was no surprise; after all Putin’s Russia and Xi’s China had been drawing ever closer for years, most notably with trade denominated in ruble-renminbi exchange, thus moving toward independence from the West’s dollar dominated trade regime.

    The World Majority Refuses to Back U.S. Sanctions

    But then a big surprise. India joined China in refusing to honor the US sanctions regime. And India kept to its resolve despite enormous pressure including calls from Biden to Modi and a train of high level US, UK and EU officials trekking off to India to bully, threaten and otherwise attempting to intimidate India. India would face “consequences,” the tired US threat went up. India did not budge.

    India’s close military and diplomatic ties with Russia were forged during the anti-colonial struggles of the Soviet era. India’s economic interests in Russian exports could not be countermanded by U.S. threats. Now India and Russia are now working on trade via ruble-rupee exchange. In fact, Russia has turned out to be a factor that put India and China on the same side, pursuing their own interests and independence in the face of U.S. diktat. Moreover with trade in ruble-renminbi exchange already a reality and with ruble-rupee exchange in the offing, are we about to witness a Renminbi-Ruble-Rupee world of trade – a “3R” alternative to the Dollar-Euro monopoly? Is the world’s second most important political relationship, that between India and China, about to take a more peaceful direction? What’s the world’s first most important relationship?

    India is but one example of the shift in power. Out of 195 countries, only 30 have honored the US sanctions on Russia. That means about 165 countries in the world have refused to join the sanctions. Those countries represent by far the majority of the world’s population. Most of Africa, Latin America (including Mexico and Brazil), East Asia (excepting Japan, South Korea, both occupied by U.S. troops and hence not sovereign, Singapore and the renegade Chinese Province of Taiwan) have refused. (India and China alone represent 35% of humanity.)

    Add to that fact that 40 different countries are now the targets of US sanctions and there is a powerful constituency to oppose the thuggish economic tactics of the U.S.

    Finally, at the recent G-20 Summit a walkout led by the US when the Russia delegate spoke was joined by the representatives of only 3 other G-20 countries, with 80% of these leading financial nations refusing to join! Similarly, a US attempt to bar a Russian delegate from a G-20 meeting later in the year in Bali was rebuffed by Indonesia which currently holds the G-20 Presidency.

    Nations Taking Russia’s side are no longer poor as in Cold War 1.0.

    These dissenting countries of the Global South are no longer as poor as they were during the Cold War. Of the top 10 countries in PPP-GDP, 5 do not support the sanctions. And these include China (number one) and India (number 3). So the first and third most powerful economies stand against the US on this matter. (Russia is number 6 on that list about equal to Germany, number 5, the two being close to equal, belying the idea that Russia’s economy is negligible.)

    These stands are vastly more significant than any UN vote. Such votes can be coerced by a great power and little attention is paid to them in the world. But the economic interests of a nation and its view of the main danger in the world are important determinants of how it reacts economically – for example to sanctions. A “no” to US sanctions is putting one’s money where one’s mouth is.

    We in the West hear that Russia is “isolated in the world” as a result of the crisis in Ukraine. If one is speaking about the Eurovassal states and the Anglosphere, that is true. But considering humanity as a whole and among the rising economies of the world, it is the US that stands isolated. And even in Europe, cracks are emerging. Hungary and Serbia have not joined the sanctions regime and of course most European countries will not and indeed cannot turn away from Russian energy imports crucial to their economies. It appears that the grand scheme of U.S. global hegemony to be brought about by the US move to WWII Redux, both Cold and Hot, has hit a mighty snag.

    For those who look forward to a multipolar world, this is a welcome turn of events emerging out of the cruel tragedy of the U.S. proxy war in Ukraine. The possibility of a saner, more prosperous multipolar world lies ahead – if we can get there.

    https://www.unz.com/article/on-ukrai...ssia-over-u-s/

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    2/3 of the world is either neutral or sides with Russia.. The rest mainly in the West (with the exception of me and many others here) are not brainwashed sheeps.
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    China is different from all the other develping countries, chinese people have a chance for rational thinking and making good decisions for themslves and the rest of the world, so and was and did Russia. Consider both China and Russia act according only to their own superstitions and nationalistic zeals, what the world will become. Rationalism-wise, Russia deserves defeat in Ukraine, so does China the forthcoming consequences from being too close to Russia. Chinese people must learn to think better and act better, otherwise, China will deserve no better future than Russia. Other developing countries are being colonized or not a global player, where as India tries to become influential but she can not play any strategic competition with the west. I think the west also intends to test the capability of rationalistic human developments of the world, as political rivary will always be the backwater of human developments, it is not a terrible reality that Putin or Xi were not rational enough to hold peace, the real test is on people, the pressure is on, the war is a pressure on Russia and China for better developments. So the rest of the developing countries opinions do not really matters, neither even Putin and Xi`s ideologies and their leadership qualities, what matters is what and how chinese and russian people think。

    历史变革的压力永远是在人民的肩膀上,如果我们不愿意承担这个责任,那么活该被专制者撺掇革命果实被他们奴 役,如今正是这样的一个时代的变革点,是我们可以重新塑造自我和世界的机会,中国人要重视这个机会。努力发 展理性的个人品格,全方面发展修养,应用到所有的方方面面去,所有的事情都需要人民的智慧和热情去填满。我 们手上有改变自我与世界的力量,这是中国与俄罗斯人民与其他世界发展中国家真正不一样的地方,我们要懂得如 何运用这样的力量。

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    Russians were left with no other choice.
    The result?
    Russians and Ukrainians being killed for the profit of a few in London and NYC.
    What buffles me is how dumb Europeans appear to be.
    Are we really that dumb or are we left with no control at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexachordia View Post
    China is different from all the other develping countries, chinese people have a chance for rational thinking and making good decisions for themslves and the rest of the world, so and was and did Russia. Consider both China and Russia act according only to their own superstitions and nationalistic zeals, what the world will become. Rationalism-wise, Russia deserves defeat in Ukraine, so does China the forthcoming consequences from being too close to Russia. Chinese people must learn to think better and act better, otherwise, China will deserve no better future than Russia. Other developing countries are being colonized or not a global player, where as India tries to become influential but she can not play any strategic competition with the west. I think the west also intends to test the capability of rationalistic human developments of the world, as political rivary will always be the backwater of human developments, it is not a terrible reality that Putin or Xi were not rational enough to hold peace, the real test is on people, the pressure is on, the war is a pressure on Russia and China for better developments. So the rest of the developing countries opinions do not really matters, neither even Putin and Xi`s ideologies and their leadership qualities, what matters is what and how chinese and russian people think。

    历史变革的压力永远是在人民的肩膀上,如果我们不愿意承担这个责任,那么活该被专制者撺掇革命果实被他们奴 役,如今正是这样的一个时代的变革点,是我们可以重新塑造自我和世界的机会,中国人要重视这个机会。努力发 展理性的个人品格,全方面发展修养,应用到所有的方方面面去,所有的事情都需要人民的智慧和热情去填满。我 们手上有改变自我与世界的力量,这是中国与俄罗斯人民与其他世界发展中国家真正不一样的地方,我们要懂得如 何运用这样的力量。
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosteece View Post
    Russians were left with no other choice.
    The result?
    Russians and Ukrainians being killed for the profit of a few in London and NYC.
    What buffles me is how dumb Europeans appear to be.
    Are we really that dumb or are we left with no control at all?
    The more I read on this forum the more I'm convinced how dumb/gullible Europeans are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverKnight View Post
    2/3 of the world is either neutral or sides with Russia.. The rest mainly in the West (with the exception of me and many others here) are not brainwashed sheeps.
    Being neutral is de facto being pro-Russia because it means no submitting to the Western blackmailing to enforce sanctions. It's an act of resistance.

    This war highlights the revenge of the so-called Third World, many emerging countries are not docile puppets anymore and look for their own interests, they don't want to follow blindly US-NATO madness that push us towards World War 3 just for saving Mariupol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    The more I read on this forum the more I'm convinced how dumb/gullible Europeans are.
    I have same opinion on Ukraine supporter non europeans. Basically they live far away, most of them have never heard of Ukraine before this war, they dont speak any local language just english so they cant read any original sources about this war and its background, their all information came from the american, australian, canadian etc mainstream media. Every time when i see a BBC interview with a hungarian politician i wanna tear my hair out, because rarely to see such stupidity, prety clear the non european "experts" have absolutely no idea about Europe and the things whats happening here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    On Ukraine, the World Majority Sides with Russia Over U.S.

    There is no such thing as "US side on Ukraine".

    Donald Trump's US was not even a pro-Ukrainian state.

    It's just idiot Joe Biden who thinks that Russia is a bigger threat to his national interests than China.



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    Trump is a part of those US politicians who want a US-Russia alliance against China.

    Biden is a senile idiot who should have been the president somewhere in 1960s.

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