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    Default The embarrassing narcissism of catalan seapratists.

    The huge narcissism and superiority complex showed recently in the forum by the catalan separatist user Fruslay (last nickname) is not a special case among catalan separatists.

    These 'vitues' are often promoted from media and institutions controled by them.

    Here is one of the most significant and extravagant examples. The 'Institut Nova Historia' (New History Institute).

    Have you heard about historical revisionism'?, the catalan separatists took this concept to a higher level.

    The Institut Nova Història (INH) is a Catalan cultural foundation with headquarters in Barcelona committed to pseudohistory and its research. Its members, of which the most prominent is the Catalan nationalist writer Jordi Bilbeny, hold that history has been systematically manipulated by the Spanish (or "Castilian") state since the 15th century to eliminate the Catalan contribution to world history.
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    The Institut Nova Història claims that major historical figures, including Christopher Columbus, Erasmus, Miguel de Cervantes, William Shakespeare, Leonardo da Vinci, Saint Teresa of Ávila and others were Catalan. It is funded by the Catalan autonomous government,and has received support from Catalan nationalist politicians.
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    THEORIES.

    The INH considers that the history of Catalonia has been manipulated and distorted since the end of the 15th century to favour the construct of a centralised Spanish ("Castilian") state. By minimising the role of Catalonia—or the Crown of Aragon—in Spanish collective history through falsification, concealment and censorship or "appropriation" of certain historical episodes, the prevalence of Castilian ideology is established.[16] Among its claims are:

    That Christopher Columbus, who discovered the Americas, was a Catalan;[17][18] that his real name was Joan Colom i Bertran; that he was "a Catalan noble that fought against Ferdinand II in the Catalan Civil War of 1462-1472 and so needed to change his identity in order to avoid persecution by royalist forces"; and that he sailed from the port of Pals rather than from Palos de Moguer.[19] According to INH, Erasmus of Rotterdam was actually named Ferran, and was the second son of this Joan Colom i Bertran (Columbus).[20][21]

    That Hernán Cortés was actually Ferran Cortès, a Catalan noble;[9][22] Francisco Pizarro was Francesc Pinós De So i Carròs; Diego de Almagro's real name was Jaume d'Aragó-Dalmau;[23] Amerigo Vespucci's last name was a distortion of the surname "Despuig", and his voyage to the new world was made in the name of the "King of Catalonia".[9][20][24] Thus, the feat of discovery and conquest was accomplished entirely by Catalans, the only people who sailed to the Americas before 1518.[8]

    That Miguel de Cervantes was a Catalan,[17][18] whose real name was Joan Miquel Servent, and who was a native of Xixona;[25] that Don Quixote was a faulty translation of the original work in Catalan, El Quixot, which was destroyed by the Castilians,[26][27] and "passed off as Castilian".[9] In fact, according to Miquel Izquierdo i Perán from INH, Servent had to flee Spain and once in England, published his works under the pseudonym “Shakespeare”, thereby making Servent, Cervantes and Shakespeare one and the same person.[28][29][30]

    That Leonardo da Vinci was Catalan, born in a town near Montserrat, such as Manresa, Vic or La Garriga;[31][32][9][33] that Mona Lisa was actually Isabella of Aragon; that the mountains depicted at the bottom of the portrait were the Montserrat mountain range; and that Da Vinci's coat of arms was very similar to that of the "Catalan Royal House".[9] These ideas were put forward in a 2014 documentary, Desmutant Leonardo (Deconstructing Leonardo), on El Punt Avui TV.[34]

    That the original versions of La Celestina and Lazarillo de Tormes—the latter having been written by Joan Timoneda—were in Catalan and were destroyed after having been translated into Castilian.[20]

    That Saint Teresa of Ávila was actually Teressa Enrìques de Cardona, abbess at the Monastery of Pedralbes for thirty years.[35][36]

    That the first university founded in the Iberian Peninsula was the University of Barcelona, rather than the universities of Salamanca and Palencia.[37]

    That the design of the flag of the United States of America was inspired by the Catalan senyera.[38]

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    Support from Catalans separatist.


    The INH is linked to organizations funded by the Catalan autonomous government.[3][4][17] It has collaborated with the separatist Catalan National Assembly in organising conferences on the history of Catalonia.[35] In 2013 it was one of the recipients of the Premi Nacional President Lluís Companys (President Lluís Companys National Awards) by the Sants-Montjuïc branch of Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya.[39] In 2012 the former president of the Generalitat de Catalunya, Jordi Pujol, wrote to Bilbeny congratulating him on his book Discovery and Catalan conquest of America. A history rewritten by the Castilians, noting that the books published by the INH "are very convincing", while in 2014, the former vice-president of the Generalitat de Catalunya, Josep Lluís Carod-Rovira, participated at the reissue of Bilbeny's Brief account of the destruction of history, where he spoke in praise of the book.[40]

    The 2015 INH symposium in Arenys de Munt, under the title "The Catalan Discovery of America", was financed by the councils of Arenys de Munt and Arenys de Mar, together with associations such as the Ateneu Independentista of Arenys de Munt. Muriel Casals, representative of the separatist coalition Junts pel Sí, gave the closing speech entitled "From the erased past to political independence".[41]

    INH members have given talks on their theories in the main Catalan government-owned television and radio channels such as TV3 and Catalunya Ràdio.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instit..._Hist%C3%B2ria

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    Myth-making is part of nation-building.

    Actual Catalan scholars don't support this nonsense.

    In 2019, a group of four Catalan historians publicly denounced the INH, calling it "a sect, not to say a drug" of "people who have never visited an archive" and likening it to flat Earthers.[44]

    The original article.
    https://www.sapiens.cat/temes/catalu...02076_102.html
    When I was younger I thought Afrocentrics were unique but you see myth-making in various cultures and it's more pronounced where there is a conflict between groups.

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    Only recently some catalan separatist have said that this 'Institute' and his theories was utter bullshit. The embarrasment was too much for any non utterly idiotic person I guess.

    But this Institute has been showing, and selling, their incredible theories to catalan public through catalan public media and nobody dared to say a critic word against.

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    Catalan separatists are re-writing the history. This is funny until certain point, first impression are laughs but then you notice they want that kids learn this in school

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Myth-making is part of nation-building.

    Actual Catalan scholars don't support this nonsense.



    When I was younger I thought Afrocentrics were unique but you see myth-making in various cultures and it's more pronounced where there is a conflict between groups.
    It took many time to them to say a critic word, and it was ignored by catalan separatist establishment until very recently.

    The social pressure of separatists over critics is huge here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    When I was younger I thought Afrocentrics were unique but you see myth-making in various cultures and it's more pronounced where there is a conflict between groups.
    Columbus, Cortés, Cervantes... yeah.

    But Leonardo Da Vinci, the flag of USA?. They said even Shakespeare was catalan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    Only recently some catalan separatist have said that this 'Institute' and his theories was utter bullshit. The embarrasment was too much for anyone non utterly idiotic person I guess.

    But this Institute has been showing, and selling, their incredible theories to catalan public through catalan public media and nobody dared to say a critic word against.
    I see it as an IQ test. If someone who believes Hernan Cortes and Pizarro were Catalan, then they're just dumb. It's too well documented that they were from Extremadura.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    Columbus, Cortés, Cervantes... yeah.

    But Leonardo Da Vinci, the flag of USA?. They said even Shakespeare was catalan.
    You're just envious that you're not Catalan. Seethe. Cope.

    I think my dad might be Catalan. He prefers Barcelona over Real Madrid. We should add him to the list.

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