Greeks dont cluster with S.Italians

[RogueState]

All mainland Greeks have some form of South Italian

Wouldn't be the opposite rather ? Southern Italains carrying Greek admixture, while in the meantime, Greeks absorbed Slavic admixture, making them shift Northeast genetically, and ironically, make Southern Italians and Sicilians closer to Ancient Greeks than modern Greeks

[catgeorge]

Wouldn't be the opposite rather ? Southern Italains carrying Greek admixture, while in the meantime, Greeks absorbed Slavic admixture, making them shift Northeast genetically, and ironically, make Southern Italians and Sicilians closer to Ancient Greeks than modern Greeks

Yes it goes both ways for sure. probably slightly more central unless you are from islands and south greece.. ionian islands are firmly central-north.

[wvwvw]

Southern Italians have mixed with other Italians over the centuries. Greeks cluster somewhere between Southern Italians and Bulgarians. Which makes sense since Greece is in between those.

[Melonman]

That 2D PCA plot seems like BS. How are egyptians closer to greeks or equally as close as iranians are to greeks????

Either way 2D PCA plots arent the best.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Southern Greeks (islanders) do, though.

Wouldn't be the opposite rather ? Southern Italains carrying Greek admixture, while in the meantime, Greeks absorbed Slavic admixture, making them shift Northeast genetically, and ironically, make Southern Italians and Sicilians closer to Ancient Greeks than modern Greeks

Ancient Greeks were now extinct when Slavs arrived in Greece, and there is a layer of recent ancestry which is Anatolian and North Levantine in both Greeks and South Italians.

Greece (also Crete for instance) received the Slavs, while southern Italy probably had an internal migration from the north which made it shift northwards compared to imperial Romans. Probably much of Greece and southern Italy overlapped until Late Antiquity, although I can't tell for places like Thessaly or Macedonia. Interestingly, in places like Apulia there is both ancient Greek and modern mainland Greek ancestry.

[renaissance12]

Southern Greeks (islanders) do, though.



Ancient Greeks were now extinct when Slavs arrived in Greece, and there is a layer of recent ancestry which is Anatolian and North Levantine in both Greeks and South Italians.

Greece (also Crete for instance) received the Slavs, while southern Italy probably had an internal migration from the north which made it shift northwards compared to imperial Romans. Probably much of Greece and southern Italy overlapped until Late Antiquity, although I can't tell for places like Thessaly or Macedonia. Interestingly, in places like Apulia there is both ancient Greek and modern mainland Greek ancestry.

Guarda che la foto che hai messo è ripugnante quanto i tuoi post..Non ti vergogni a mostrare il peggio dell'Italia ?

[Anaximander]

Sicilians and South Italians are shown as different categories.

On your PCA, Greeks (x) are actually almost right on top of S. Italians (dots) and distinct from Tuscany (squares).

If you'd zoom out the difference would be even more pronounced.

What you claim has absolutely no basis on reality and cannot be substantiated by any study or other calculator whatsoever.

Give it up, man, it's so pathetic that OWD of yours, it's sad.

Even the most northern Greek group has a WANA shift that is completely absent in groups such as North Italians.

Greeks and North Italians (or Iberians for that matter) are not comparable, the former shift to the East and the South-East, as a product of thousands of years old processes that involved the exchange of genes.

If you want to pretend that you are some sort of Western Euro like North Italians are, and humiliate yourself in the process, by all means feel free to do so, but, trust me, it's impossible to find the basis for such a claim in genetics.

This is why the Greek community of anthro-posters is such a long standing joke (not just on this forum). Your complexes are really a pitiful display of character.

The dots are the Albanians

[Anaximander]

The little bit where it's overlapping with the Tuscans, it's also where Albanians are at.

You just posted the ol' MS-Paint version of K15, like it's some sort of grande revelation or something. The reason the Albanian reference is missing is because in its original form, eurogenes calculators lacked such reference samples in their lists.

The Greeks who are the closest to Turscany are the ones who plot right on top of the Albanians.

The rest are not close.

There is literaly 1 dot of S.Italian and it clusters with Sicilians.
Greeks cluster with Albanians, Tuscans and to a lesser degree Bergamese.
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[Wizz]

Southern Greeks (islanders) do, though.



Ancient Greeks were now extinct when Slavs arrived in Greece, and there is a layer of recent ancestry which is Anatolian and North Levantine in both Greeks and South Italians.

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In what way were they extinct ?

[Russki]

I can't stop cringing from people who use either Belgorod Russians (extreme South) or Arkhangelsk/Kostroma Russians (extreme North-East).

Pick something in the middle, for fucks sake.