Greeks dont cluster with S.Italians

[Ajeje Brazorf]

In what way were they extinct ?

It's not exactly that they "became extinct", it's that they mixed with other ethnic groups until they disappeared. This is why the classical Greek samples (we have so far) are all very distant from modern populations.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

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Muto, e a cuccia.

Devi stare zitto cane rognoso, guarda la foto del mio profilo, fissala ogni volta che posto in questo forum, senti il bruciore del tuo culo e ricorda sempre che quelli come te possono solo mettersi in coda e succhiarmi il cazzo.

[Wizz]

Southern Italy was also settled by Illyrians. Got this from Eupedia:

Yeah, it's pretty much shaping like J2b-L283 subclades played an important role in the ethnogenesis of the Illyrians, just like some of us predicted some time ago and before we had all these aDNA samples.

Actually, since this Iapygian/Messapian sample (NEO806) is Y21878+ he is closer to the Hoti clan, who are under CTS11100>Y166564, and the FT29003 cluster observed in southeastern Gegëria which user Archetype0ne belongs to.
The Kastrati clan are under PH4679>>PH1751, so like Krasniqi/Nikaj clans and me

Boardman & Sollberger 1982, p. 231: "Apart from the spears and spear-heads of 'South-Illyrian' type (...), a connexion can be traced between Albania and Italy through various features in the pottery (shapes, handles; later on also painted geometric decoration); for although in Albania they derive from an earlier local tradition, they seem to represent new elements in Italy. In the same way we can account for the fibulae – typically Illyrian – arching in a simple curve with or without buttons, which one finds in southern Italy and in Sicily, and also some in which the curve is decorated with 'herring-bone' incisions, like examples from the eastern coast of the Adriatic. These influences appear finally in the rites of burial in tumuli in the contracted position, which are seen at this period in southern Italy, especially in Apulia. There is also evidence, as we have seen elsewhere, for supposing that in the diffusion of these Illyrian influences in Italy the Illyrian tribes which were displaced at the beginning of this period from the South-Eastern sea-board of the Adriatic and passed over into Italy may have played a significant role."; Wilkes 1992, p. 68: "...the Messapian language recorded on more than 300 inscriptions is in some respects similar to Balkan Illyrian. This link is also reflected in the material culture of both shores of the southern Adriatic. Archaeologists have concluded that there was a phase of Illyrian migration into Italy early in the first millennium BC."; Fortson 2004, p. 407: "They are linked by ancient historians with Illyria, across the Adriatic sea; the linkage is borne out archaeologically by similarities between Illyrian and Messapic metalwork and ceramics, and by personal names that appear in both locations. For this reason, the Messapic language has often been connected by modern scholars to Illyrian; but, as noted above, we have too little Illyrian to be able to test this claim."

[mitalit]

Guarda che la foto che hai messo è ripugnante quanto i tuoi post..Non ti vergogni a mostrare il peggio dell'Italia ?

Do you support the independence of Padania?

[kingmob]

Greeks cluster with Albanians, Tuscans and to a lesser degree Bergamese.

These are the Late Medieval Arvanite and Vlach and other Balkan transplants.

The Greeks who resemble the BA/IA Greeks are with the S. Italians.

Sorry, mate, this issue has been put to rest in 2017, you can't un-change it because you want it so.

[Anaximander]

These are the Late Medieval Arvanite and Vlach and other Balkan transplants.

The Greeks who resemble the BA/IA Greeks are with the S. Italians.

Sorry, mate, this issue has been put to rest in 2017, you can't un-change it because you want it so.

Thats not even true. Mainland Greeks are ancient Greeks,Islanders have arab Saracen adm.

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[kingmob]

Thats not even true. Mainland Greeks are ancient Greeks,Islanders have arab Saracen adm.

Prove it, all the evidence is stacked against you.

We are all ears, bring forth the genetic evidence, the uniparentals (Y-DNA specifically), the ethnography, the linguistics.

What are you waiting for.

Prove "mainland Greeks" are not Balkan transplants (9-10th+ century A.D. at best).

Islanders, regardless of the circumstances, plot the closest to BA/IA samples, so they already scored, ball is in your court.

[Wizz]

It's not exactly that they "became extinct", it's that they mixed with other ethnic groups until they disappeared. This is why the classical Greek samples (we have so far) are all very distant from modern populations.

The only Ancient Greek samples I am aware of that were found are some Bronze Age samples where some were very south and one was very north and some Mycenaeans basically.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The only Ancient Greek samples I am aware of that were found are some Bronze Age samples where some were very south and one was very north and some Mycenaeans basically.

The samples available so far are 4 Mycenaeans from the Peloponnese dated between 1346 and 1300 BC, and 2 Emporiote Greeks from Spain dating back to 576 and 276 BC. Despite being separated by 1000 years apart, these samples are genetically similar to each other and their Steppe percentage ranges from 2 to 14% in Davidski's classic models.

Target: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215___BC_576___Coverage_72.08%
Distance: 2.2301% / 0.02230102
68.6	Anatolia_Barcin_N
16.6	Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
14.6	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.2	Han

Target: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208___BC_276___Coverage_32.97%
Distance: 3.8103% / 0.03810281
66.0	Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.8	Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.8	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.6	MAR_Taforalt
0.4	Han
0.4	IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728

Target: GRC_Mycenaean:I9041___BC_1300___Coverage_36.06%
Distance: 2.4801% / 0.02480062
66.4	Anatolia_Barcin_N
17.0	Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
13.2	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8	Levant_PPNB
0.8	Han
0.6	Dinka
0.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: GRC_Mycenaean:I9033___BC_1346___Coverage_21.63%
Distance: 3.8248% / 0.03824810
60.6	Anatolia_Barcin_N
19.6	Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
14.4	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8	Dinka
1.2	Gambian
0.8	IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728
0.8	WHG
0.4	ETH_4500BP
0.4	Han

Target: GRC_Mycenaean:I9010___BC_1300___Coverage_21.05%
Distance: 3.1315% / 0.03131470
69.2	Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.4	Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.2	Levant_PPNB
4.8	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.0	WHG
2.0	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8	Jarawa
0.6	IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728

Target: GRC_Mycenaean:I9006___BC_1333___Coverage_31.39%
Distance: 3.1558% / 0.03155833
68.6	Anatolia_Barcin_N
20.2	Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
8.4	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.2	BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2	Nganassan

Then there are these samples coming out in the future, the bulk of which should plot with the aforementioned samples.

[wvwvw]

Wouldn't be the opposite rather ? Southern Italains carrying Greek admixture, while in the meantime, Greeks absorbed Slavic admixture, making them shift Northeast genetically, and ironically, make Southern Italians and Sicilians closer to Ancient Greeks than modern Greeks

Did the samples from the 2,000 BCE Aegeans also absorbed Slavic admixture? Cause I overlap with them. And if I remember correctly I also overlap almost with a ”Thracian” sample from Bulgaria and an Etruscan sample from Italy. Etruria was inhabited by a number of Greek tribes besides the dozens of others, and Bulgaria too.