Is the threshold for what would be considered 'sexual harassment' higher for men than for women?

[Tooting Carmen]

For example, would a woman fondling a man's (usually but not necessarily muscular) arms or chest be seen as sexual harassment in the same way that a man fondling a woman's breasts clearly would be? For that matter, would a female boss complementing a male worker for his looks or body be seen as harassment and inappropriate conduct in the same way the reverse scenario nowadays very much is?

[Anglo-Celtic]

No way. I got "harassed" a lot back in the day, and I mostly was cool with it, but I wouldn't want young *women* to experience it, which makes me sound like a Neanderthal, but I'm keeping it real. I went for an interview when I was 23, and the boss was in the 35-year-old age area. She spent much of the time talking about my shoulders, and I felt complimented and flattered by it, but I'm not comfortable with the reverse scenario where a male boss talks about a female interviewee's breasts, but nature wired us differently, so I plead not guilty by reason of biology.

[Longbowman]

For example, would a woman fondling a man's (usually but not necessarily muscular) arms or chest be seen as sexual harassment in the same way that a man fondling a woman's breasts clearly would be? For that matter, would a female boss complementing a male worker for his looks or body be seen as harassment and inappropriate conduct in the same way the reverse scenario nowadays very much is?

It's about power and biology you dunce. If my 9 year old cousin slaps me (which happens) I'm not going to the police. If I slap him someone should and I might end up in prison. Women get a lot more leeway because the social and physical dynamics are entirely different.

Additionally breasts are generally considered an erogenous zone and a chest isn't. I know you're gay but you know this. Such a duff question to ask.

[Incal]

That should be personal. I think people should start to wear bracelets with different colors to identify if they think everything's sexual or not. That way there wouldn't be any kind of misunderstandings.

[Tooting Carmen]

It's about power and biology you dunce. If my 9 year old cousin slaps me (which happens) I'm not going to the police. If I slap him someone should and I might end up in prison. Women get a lot more leeway because the social and physical dynamics are entirely different.

Additionally breasts are generally considered an erogenous zone and a chest isn't. I know you're gay but you know this. Such a duff question to ask.

A female boss still exercises social and financial power over her male employee, just like a Black boss still exercises social and financial power over his or her White employee. Intersectional politics can only get us so far.

N.B. Perhaps you would be vain enough to enjoy a female boss constantly putting her hand underneath your shirt, but rest assured lots of other men would be deeply uncomfortable with it (however much they'd be reluctant to admit it).

[Longbowman]

A female boss still exercises social and financial power over her male employee, just like a Black boss still exercises social and financial power over his or her White employee. Intersectional politics can only get us so far.

N.B. Perhaps you would be vain enough to enjoy a female boss constantly putting her hand underneath your shirt, but rest assured lots of other men would be deeply uncomfortable with it (however much they'd be reluctant to admit it).

I've felt uncomfortable with women touching me but never physically intimidated. Obviously, there are exceptions to this rule and women are rolling the dice, same as men, but the chance of them crossing the line into intimidation and offensive behaviour is much lower.

We're not discussing coercion here, just attention.

[oszkar07]

For example, would a woman fondling a man's (usually but not necessarily muscular) arms or chest be seen as sexual harassment in the same way that a man fondling a woman's breasts clearly would be? For that matter, would a female boss complementing a male worker for his looks or body be seen as harassment and inappropriate conduct in the same way the reverse scenario nowadays very much is?

how about this ...

there is an American band with female vocalist.
They were playing one of the big music festivals.
During their set the female vocalist says something along the lines of ... its a fantasy of hers to take a pee on some dude onstage. Then apparently she says she will choose a member from the audience to pee on. Some guy in the audience(not sure if he was a plant or not) anyway it seems he was up for it. During one of the cover songs they were doing she calls him on stage and btw the manner in which she speaks to him is somewhat aggressive tone ... maybe like a dominatrix or something. She tells him to lay on his back and basically she pee's all over his face.
Yes he seemed to be consenting and seemed to not have a problem with it.
This was however not at some Amsterdam stripshow/sex show this was at a rock concert with a band that is not normally known for pulling such stunts.

The result of this was ... 1) the band and singer got a lot of attention (maybe good publicity)
2)Some people said it was disgusting, hence the singer made some appologies on the bands website etc , saying she didnt mean to offend anyone etc.

But ... if a male vocalist of a Rock band did a golden shower on a supposed random female audience member onstage.(and even said that he had fantasy about doing that) Perhaps it would it be likely he would be arrested and that the incident would be criticised and viewed much more harshly.

PS: Anyone familiar with Miley Cyrus live concerts ...it seems she at times is literally pushing her crotch into audience members faces and doing very sexualised antics on stage. Would the same be considered ok if a male performer did the same things.

Im not saying either of those things should be ok for male or female to do onstage , Im just wondering if society looks at it differently by gender.

[Petalpusher]

Obviously but indeed it's more being uncomfortable and gross when some women are very insistent and touchy, especially those who you are not ok with it, but it's not like you fear getting raped in a dark alley 5 minutes later then beaten to death or whatever. Also you can't imagine a group of men discussing about their agression by females. "She touched my peepee in an inappropriate way, i think im gonna press charges" Everybody would laugh.

However if i was woman i would become a complete asshole in society as nowadays they have totally lost the fear of physical retaliation in public, as in between men when you cross a line, which is well illustrated with the Karen and all sorts of entitled brats who know they can trash everybody and be unbearable without consequences.

[Ylla]

This reminds me of a social influencer who went under fire for sexualising her workmen while renovating. The comments were basically saying what if the roles had been reversed and it were a man doing the same to his female professionals. There was uproar but mostly by women and I don't think men in particular cared. What do you Think?

[Tooting Carmen]

This reminds me of a social influencer who went under fire for sexualising her workmen while renovating. The comments were basically saying what if the roles had been reversed and it were a man doing the same to his female professionals. There was uproar but mostly by women and I don't think men in particular cared. What do you Think?

It's a sort of perverse twist on the trope that sex is for men to enjoy and women to endure.