Shooting at Texas Elementary School, at least 21 dead.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Grace, why did you ignore the following from your own source?

The US still has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world.

The case of Australia may be even more relevant to Switzerland. Research on the aftermath of a new gun lawExternal link that banned semi-automatic weapons following a mass shooting in 1996 suggests that gun homicide has declined significantly since then. But this downward trend had already started in the 1980s, so the 1996 legislation had no statistically observable additional impact on gun deaths. One possible explanation, according to Michael Siegel, a professor of community health sciences at Boston University, is that most Australian states already had relatively strict firearms controls in place, such as license and permit systems and background checks.

You literally provide support against what you claimed and supported what I stated. What you had in bold doesn't detract from that reality.

What I posted discussed the downward trend across the Western world, including the US.

Also from your sources:

Whether the tightening of Swiss gun laws as proposed by the government will lead to even greater public safety is unclear. Studies show that there is a correlation between gun control legislation and low rates of gun-related deaths, including homicide.

But a further tightening of already strong existing controls, such as banning certain types of semi-automatic weapons, may not have much obvious impact on the level of gun violence. Controlling who has access to dangerous weapons may also lower the incidence of gun homicide, but more research in this area is needed.

A mess of an article.

Demographics is the elephant in the room. Any argument that doesn't address demographic differences is a worthless argument. There are different patterns of behavior between groups (for various reasons) that need to be addressed when discussing public policy. Switzerland doesn't exactly have gangs like MS-13, Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, etc.

[frankhammer]

"these types," meaning not the ones done by black people against large groups of other black people--

As I read that comment, she was talking about school mass shootings.

[Fincher]

I don't understand why some people in this thread want to disarm law abiding citizens and give criminals the edge over them by being armed because that is what will happen in the US. Criminals don't just say, "Well, we better not buy these guns from each other because it's illegal to have them."

It would probably deter a good chunk of the sheltered, mid-wit incel shut-ins that commit these shootings. There's a world of a difference between being able to buy a gun above board from a store or borrow your dad's on impulse vs. having to buy one off the black market and deal with shady hardened criminals or potential undercover cops

[SilverKnight]

Somewhere in the Texas panhandle

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

It would probably deter a good chunk of the sheltered, mid-wit incel shut-ins that commit these shootings. There's a world of a difference between being able to buy one at a gunshop or borrow your dad's gun on impulse vs. having to buy one off the black market - I don't think most have the willpower, connections or street smarts to follow through with that and not get caught

You're arguing it's more important to stop a statistically rare mass shooting by a 'sheltered, mid-wit incel shut in' than allow law abiding citizens to protect themselves from being a criminal's easy prey.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Most people get by just fine without owning firearms. It's just a tradition/hobby that conservatives value over other people's lives

Is that right? Tell that tripe to crime victims.

[Ellethwyn]

If this is true, how did he enter the school with a rifle?

[SilverKnight]

If this is true, how did he enter the school with a rifle?

The deep state devils in D.C probably have the answer to your question.

[Hexachordia]

Gun has bcome a pandemic for the americas and the US is also going down the passway of Colombia and Venezuela in terms of criminal heavens. The US has the Federal Reserve headquarter found there is the only difference from other latin America countries. I do not even equipe a knife on me, let alone consider such thing. And it is very crooked to consider a term of equality to share gun ownership across the class, where the riches get the certificate to crimes and the poors claim "individual rights" in owning their guns. When a lot of people die from spree killings and the media keep highlighting the psychological profiles of the killer, as if there is something to sell and hype about: oh what a loser and then some will get secret orgasms. Repeated similar crimes just show nobody really cares, maybe the victims were more black or hispanic or asian then it is OK, after the shows of flowers then nothing matters. Taken to the streets, NGOs all just more or less a show if not some capitals interested, the US will never control the guns and should not, you can not leave people in fear, so they can die in superstitious security. It is a helpless situation. In China, such cases happen too when some people rammed the cars into people, can gun stop them in time? at least we see these people got well-deserved death penalties, nothing is more humane than to fix a person into his/her own place for aeternity and we all know who and that commies are murderers and "we are not". We do not torture them at least. The USA is dying for capitals and elites, not a good place for the working class or religious people, it is the age of being an american either poor or rich is synonymous to being a murderer in one or another way.

[lei.talk]

any one remember the videos
of the nights in paris
when all the automobiles on the streets
were burned?

or the four years of "peaceful protests" by resist!/antifa/blm
when innocents were beaten/crippled/murdered
and their homes/businesses destroyed?

one need not image life with out a gun:
it is portrayed daily in the news — world-wide.

Anyone who can't conceive life without owning a gun got serious mental problems IMO.