Shooting at Texas Elementary School, at least 21 dead.

[Ylla]

All they did was go to elementary school. This world doesn't deserve our children.

[wvwvw]

Twelve Questions to Consider Regarding Mass Shootings
By Douglas Young
May 26, 2022

To prevent more mass shootings, many demand more gun control laws. But do these laws prevent such massacres or address their root causes? Here are 12 questions to ponder.

First, why do almost all U.S. mass shootings occur in “gun-free zones”? Indeed, it’s hard to name any that have not. The 2015 Charleston mass-murderer apparently targeted a church instead of a school partly because the school had security – but South Carolina banned guns in church. Would any of us put a sign in our yard saying, “This is a gun-free home”?

Second, can an evil person using a gun to murder be stopped by anyone other than a good person using a gun? In the December, 2019 Texas church shooting, the murderer was prevented from murdering many times more than his two victims by a good parishioner with a gun who shot him in six seconds. Many other mass murders have been similarly stopped.

Third, with all the many thousands of city, county, state, and federal gun control laws we’ve had for many decades, how realistic is it that any new ones will make a difference? Very few guns used in crime are ever legally bought since, by definition, criminals don’t obey laws.

Fourth, for those who want to ban entire classes of guns, how well did America’s prohibition of alcohol from 1920 to 1933 prevent Americans from getting booze? Even with a constitutional amendment and an unprecedented national effort to completely ban the sale of this dangerous drug, “the noble crusade” was an abject failure that corrupted law enforcement on a massive scale. By far the biggest beneficiaries of prohibition were bootleggers made fabulously wealthy like Al Capone who said, “All I do is supply a demand.”

Fifth, how well has our war on drugs prevented people from getting them? This 52-year effort has spent a trillion-plus tax dollars stopping record amounts of drugs at the border and creating by far the world’s biggest prison population. Yet illegal drugs remain plentiful and widely used.

Sixth, how well have our immigration laws prevented illegal aliens from breaking into the country in recent decades? Despite presidents of both parties sending record numbers of guards to the border and deporting record numbers of illegal migrants, a 2018 Yale-MIT study showed we may have well over 20 million illegal aliens in this country.

Seventh, could the saturation press coverage prominently featuring the name and face of each mass-murderer actually encourage more such shootings? There is evidence that many mass-murderers seek such infamy. So, while reporting their crimes, why not deny these murderers the notoriety they crave and therefore reduce the temptation for other evil losers?

Eighth, can guns — or any inanimate object or substance — force anyone to use them sinfully? As the CATO Institute’s Robert Levy reported in 2011, each year the owners of 99.8 percent of American guns choose not to commit a crime with them. Indeed, do most drinkers drive drunk or commit other crimes under the influence? Since reckless driving kills about the same number of Americans each year as gunshot wounds, should we have more car control laws? Most all of us are fully equipped to be thieves, drug addicts, prostitutes, and murderers. But are we?

Ninth, how many mass-murderers have come from a two-parent family that regularly attended church or synagogue? Very few. Indeed, the data show children from single-parent homes are many times more likely to fall prey to the whole range of social pathologies. And how many folks who regularly went to Sunday School with you became violent criminals?

Tenth, is it really fair to blame mass shootings on mental illness? Does this not insult the vast majority of mentally ill folks who are never violent? So what leads a tiny minority to turn homicidal? Again, could it be the lack of a loving, two-parent, church-going home that proactively seeks prompt medical treatment for a troubled family member?

Eleventh, could it be that mass shootings are really symptomatic of deeper-rooted and far more socially cancerous spiritual, cultural, and family problems? In the 1950s, many high school students brought rifles to school for marksmanship classes – and without school shootings.

Twelfth, how effective is government at solving spiritual, cultural, and family problems? The state is quite good at building roads, bridges, schools, and warships, but what is its record at putting America’s broken Humpty Dumpty family and Judeo-Christian culture back together again? Perhaps the ultimate solution to mass shootings – and most of our problems – is for we Americans to dedicate ourselves to our own spiritual and family renewal since, as President Dwight Eisenhower understood, “Laws cannot change what is in people’s hearts and minds.”

[Hexachordia]

There is a personality crisis in the west. Beside the drug abuse issues, the rampant crime rate among american countries can not be brush off as a poverty problem, this is an issue as prevalent in the rich as in the people. OWD in the popular culture is one of these, and Freudian methodology just shoven down indiscriminately on people without regard to different contexts, this has become a propaganda as harmful as any communist propaganda. The modern social codes promoted by the west are toxic it explains the surging crime rates everywhere the western progressivism predominate. Do not gobble up the western values as any kind of social concensus, never, I know how vulnerable personality development can be, the western ways of medical and institutional correctnesses shoving upon people, harm peoples psyches more than helping any. The capitalism and communism can not get to every person`s issue, so just do not pretend to solve everything like a God or Saint will just be better, like what Adam Smith says about involuntary greater good, nothing is working more adversely against the greater good than capitalist agendas for greater good. None taught by me in real life become a problematic person, fact, because I give no illusion to people nor criticize them from aloft. I only criticize the whole in front of them. As you might cheer that elites still uphold gun ownership, but for yourself you should see their hypocrisy that they have to do something to exploit the fear and win voices for themselves. Many people just follow the elites because they dare not face the reality on their own accounts, so are such people really better than any culprit? stop pointing fingers at the others.

[Russki]

Somewhere in the Texas panhandle

Third world vibes

[Grace O'Malley]

Grace, why did you ignore the following from your own source?



You literally provide support against what you claimed and supported what I stated. What you had in bold doesn't detract from that reality.

What I posted discussed the downward trend across the Western world, including the US.

Also from your sources:



A mess of an article.

Demographics is the elephant in the room. Any argument that doesn't address demographic differences is a worthless argument. There are different patterns of behavior between groups (for various reasons) that need to be addressed when discussing public policy. Switzerland doesn't exactly have gangs like MS-13, Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, etc.

I'm not going to go back and forth arguing with you. The more I read about this the less I understand a country that allows these weapons to be purchased. They have to use dna to identify some of the children because their bodies were so mutilated.

I'm disgusted and don't understand anyone that thinks this is normal in a civilised society. It's a waste of time discussing this with people that are so inflexible.

[SilverKnight]

Third world vibes

I think 3rd world is more like those countries were citizens can't defend themselves from other civilians and their own government.

[lei.talk]

They have to use dna to identify some of the children because their bodies were so mutilated.

...any one with experience
using the 5.56 nato ar-15 will describe it as light-weight and low-recoil
not "A high-powered firearm that can cause very devastating injuries".

For serious (military) application,
the three-round burst option (not available to school-shooters) is the choice
because one small light-weight bullet usually will not suffice.

the actual projectile has a hard outer layer
that reduces mechanism-jamming and devastating wounds.

the remaining four sentences
provide the actual reasons for the dna tests.

“A high-powered firearm can cause very devastating injuries and can make identification challenging from a visual point of view,” Dr. James R. Gill, Connecticut’s chief medical examiner, said in an interview on Wednesday.

DNA testing, he said, is not only more accurate, but it also spares parents the trauma of having to view photos like the ones that were shown to parents after 20 children were fatally shot at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012.

More and more offices are moving to scientific methods for identification because, with visual identification, the parents are in shock, you’re showing them a photograph, they’re in denial,” Dr. Gill said.

DNA testing also helps the authorities be as certain as possible that they are positively identifying fatally injured children who may look or dress alike and who don’t have ID cards, tattoos or fingerprints on file.

DNA testing can be performed in about an hour, Dr. Gill said, and makes it much less likely that the authorities release the wrong body to a family, which he called a “nightmare” scenario for medical examiners.

all of the references to children's bodies
being reduced to unidentifiable pulverised flesh
by a fully automatic rifle are intentional rage-bait
intended to generate clicks to a web-site.

[Fincher]

You're arguing it's more important to stop a statistically rare mass shooting by a 'sheltered, mid-wit incel shut in' than allow law abiding citizens to protect themselves from being a criminal's easy prey.

It worked for the UK and Australia. As for run of the mill criminals, you can just let the cops handle it and avoid certain neighborhoods or provoking unstable people like most people in urban areas (which are probably 10 times more dangerous than wherever you live) that don't own guns and manage to survive - inner city criminals, for all their faults, generally don't hunt down dozens of random civilians for kicks. In contrast, there's nothing most individuals can do to avoid getting shot up by some demented 4chan sociopath that wants to kill people for sport in what should be a safe area because any 18 year old wacko without a criminal history can get a gun

[Eliades]

America's gun laws truly amaze me

These mass shooting are an American phenomenon caused entirely by their fire arms laws

It also amazes me that so many Americans can't see this or just won't except it

Not even close man, these mass shootings usually occur in "Gun Free Zones" over here. If we didn't have guns, we'd look like you guys or Australia being put in death camps over a virus with a 99 percent survival rate.

First thing I thought was, "Tell me it's election season, without telling me it's an Election year"

[Fincher]

Not even close man, these mass shootings usually occur in "Gun Free Zones" over here. If we didn't have guns, we'd look like you guys or Australia being put in death camps over a virus with a 99 percent survival rate.

First thing I thought was, "Tell me it's election season, without telling me it's an Election year"

Then what you need is a federal ban