In your country, do the middle classes live more in the cities or small towns/countryside?

[oszkar07]

Check Csepel Vasas utca and surroundings on google street view. Youll get it

Ive been in Csepel many years ago.
I had cousins and a great aunt that lived there.
From memory where they lived was alright.

[Kiel]

Ive been in Csepel many years ago.
I had cousins and a great aunt that lived there.
From memory where they lived was alright.

It has some okay areas, but its northern part is just terrible.

[Incal]

Here everybody lives in the cities.

[Tooting Carmen]

Here everybody lives in the cities.

LOL.

[Tooting Carmen]

In Spain the middle class has always been most of the population

I doubt it, especially prior to the 1980's. Not just because Spain was quite poor by Western European standards, but also because, like in any given society, there is a big difference between cleaners and factory workers on the one hand and wealthy surgeons and businesspeople on the other.

[alnortedelsur]

I doubt it, especially prior to the 1980's. Not just because Spain was quite poor by Western European standards, but also because, like in any given society, there is a big difference between cleaners and factory workers on the one hand and wealthy surgeons and businesspeople on the other.

I was referring to the last decades, of course. Post war Spain was another story.

[Tooting Carmen]

I was referring to the last decades, of course. Post war Spain was another story.

So do 50% or more of Spaniards (in employment) work in professional, managerial and technical occupations then? Even if that were the case, what about the still substantial numbers who don't?
According to the 2021 Annual Population Survey, in the UK the percentage of people in employment who work in said occupations is 47.5%, so I doubt the figure would be higher in Spain.

[alnortedelsur]

So do 50% or more of Spaniards (in employment) work in professional, managerial and technical occupations then? Even if that were the case, what about the still substantial numbers who don't?
According to the 2021 Annual Population Survey, in the UK the percentage of people in employment who work in said occupations is 47.5%, so I doubt the figure would be higher in Spain.

You don't get that the system in Spain is made in a way that very high professionals are not very rich (maybe a living standard like an upper middle class person from Latin America) and even a janitor have a decent pay check and employment benefits.

Most of the poor class have been mostly gypsies, who are very minority of the Spanish population.

The massive third world immigration is screwing things up.

[Tooting Carmen]

You don't get that the system in Spain is made in a way that very high professionals are not very rich. and even a janitor have a decent pay check and employment benefits.

Well then who are pijos and chonis respectively? And the point about social class is that it is at least as much to do with education and occupation as pure income levels. Don't try to make the bullshit claim that Spain is an almost classless society, when its income and wealth differentials are quite bad by Western standards (though still at least a tad more equal than Britain and the US). The Scandinavian countries may be almost classless - though even there I have my doubts, because (1) they too have royal families and all the associated pomp, flummery and unequal land ownership and (2) as we both know, some of their immigrant neighbourhoods in particular can be quite poor and crime ridden - but certainly not Spain.

[alnortedelsur]

Well then who are pijos and chonis respectively? And the point about social class is that it is at least as much to do with education and occupation as pure income levels. Don't try to make the bullshit claim that Spain is an almost classless society, when its income and wealth differentials are quite bad by Western standards (though still at least a tad more equal than Britain and the US). The Scandinavian countries may be almost classless - though even there I have my doubts, because (1) they too have royal families and all the associated pomp, flummery and unequal land ownership and (2) as we both know, some of their immigrant neighbourhoods in particular can be quite poor and crime ridden - but certainly not Spain.

I'm not saying there are not poor and rich people in Spain, just that they are very minority, while most of the rest of the population always have had (before the current situation of many third world immigrants) a living standard between lower middle to upper middle class. Most high professionals having a good living standard (but not at rich level, but more like upper middle class level, like upper middle class Latin Americans) and people with lower level jobs (like janitor and the likes) earning at least enough to have a decent life (not as good as high professionals, but still) and with decent employment benefits. That without mentioning millions of middle professionals, or people who are not in high jobs nor blue collar jobs either.

Don't talk me about chonis, like if Spain was full of them, since most people in Spain aren't chonis, but normal people with a decent level of behavior and social manners, without necessarily being pijos.

I edited my previous post, BTW.