Greetings from a Europhile

[Blondie]

Yes, there are only a few Neonazis in Hungary (they exist everywhere, even in Russia, so you cannot say "there are no Neonazis"), but if someone wanted, he could misrepresent it as a Nazi state, just as Ukraine. Why? Because there are Hungarian guards with strong anti Gypsy sentiments, 64 countries movement, far right parties (Jobbik in the past, now some other), antisemitism and revisionism also exist etc.

If you wanna know the political history of Hungary, then i have already created a thread about it:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-last-35-years
Im talking about neonazis too. It was a rapid rise to get the power, putsch and after that the retribution and emigration to abroad. My sister is neonazi, she was part of such movement, she also emigrated to West because she was scared of the prison. There was amnesty after 2010 when Orbán won the elections, and she moved back to Hungary, but Orbán banned all neonazi movements. I know this society deep inside because of my sister, trust me they are no more, their power is absolutely zero, unlike in Ukraine.
Under Orbán these extremist movements disappeared completely, its a totally different world what it was before Orbán. Everything what you said is existed only before 2010 not now. Unfortunatelly we see a different world in Ukraine.

[Jankec]

I think that far-right parties in Ukraine are also marginalized in the meantime and they had a short term success only after Maidan revolution (they are only stronger maybe in Galicia). Azov regiment (former batallion) is a minor paramilitary formation, without a significant influence. But existence of these groups aren't reason of Russian aggression in any case, imo.

[Blondie]

I think that far-right parties in Ukraine are also marginalized in the meantime and they had a short term success only after Maidan revolution (they are only stronger maybe in Galicia). Azov regiment (former batallion) is a minor paramilitary formation, without a significant influence. But existence of these groups aren't reason of Russian aggression in any case, imo.

You know these ukrainian neonazis commited bloody ethnic cleansing by weapons, hungarian or other neonazis didnt do that. This is the problem and this the reason of russian intervention.

[Jankec]

You know these ukrainian neonazis commited bloody ethnic cleansing by weapons, hungarian or other neonazis didnt do that. This is the problem and this the reason of russian intervention.

Where, which city, village? Do you understand a fluid ethic identity between Russians and Ukrainians? You cannot know who Ukrainian or Russian is, ethnic cleansing is impossible there. But Putin's army deports and kills Russians and Russian speaking people too.

[Blondie]

Where, which city, village? Do you understand a fluid ethic identity between Russians and Ukrainians? You cannot know who Ukrainian or Russian is, ethnic cleansing is impossible there. But Putin's army deports and kills Russians and Russian speaking people too.

That happened in Donbas and if its impossible because of many similarity, by this logic serbs didnt commit any ethnic cleansing during the yugoslavian war. I dont really understand your fantasy world

[Jankec]

That happened in Donbas and if its impossible because of many similarity, by this logic serbs didnt commit any ethnic cleansing during the yugoslavian war. I dont really understand your fantasy world

You cannot compare it. Croats and Serbs don't have fluid national identity, they were different groups in any sense. Russians in eastern Ukraine are like Serbs in Montenegro and you cannot know someone's nationality unless you ask him.

[Jankec]

That happened in Donbas and if its impossible because of many similarity, by this logic serbs didnt commit any ethnic cleansing during the yugoslavian war. I dont really understand your fantasy world

You cannot compare it. Croats and Serbs don't have fluid national identity, they were different groups in any sense. Russians in eastern Ukraine are like Serbs in Montenegro and you cannot know someone's nationality unless you ask him.

[Blondie]

You cannot compare it. Croats and Serbs don't have fluid national identity, they were different groups in any sense. Russians in eastern Ukraine are like Serbs in Montenegro and you cannot know someone's nationality unless you ask him.

Very easy to make ethnic cleansing in a such region like Donbas where the population is 90% russian. But of course you and your friends from Bussels dont want to see it, thats why there is war now. Just dont be surprised.

[rothaer]

Very easy to make ethnic cleansing in a such region like Donbas where the population is 90% russian. (...)

No, like Jankec said there is a fluid ethnic identity. How would be an ethnic cleansing if there is a conflict between "Germans" and "Bavarians"? If it's only about a preferred political belonging people can re-define themselves every half a year and you have nothing solid to connect to.