Origin of the Caucasian (Caucasus) race and its descedants

[Guti]

Origin of the Caucasian (Caucasus) race and its descendants. It is all in the name. Caucasian people (real Caucasoids) are from the Caucasus and the Iranian Plateau and they were native to that area, Northwestern Asia, from the Iranian Plateau all the way to Northern Caucasus.
The aboriginal or the most native people of that region were ancestral to CHG/Iran_Neo people. Later on those regions witnessed some ANE migration from Central Siberia.

When proto-CHG/proot-Iran_Neo mixed with the ANE mammoth hunters they gave birth to a proto-Caucasoid race.

The modern-day people who are the closest people to the ancient proto-Caucasoids are Northwestern Iranics (including Kurds) and people of the Caucasus (including Georgians). Modern people like Kurds and Georgians are the closest people to the ancient CHG/Iran_ChL/Iran_Neo proto-Caucasoid race.

[Guti]

It is possible that ANE from the 'north' was responsible for the agricultural revolution in the Upper Mesopotamia.


It has been said that after the 'The Last Glacial Period' (LGP), 12 thousand years ago, the mammoth hunters from the Northern Central Asia migrated via the Eastern Caspian Sea corridor into the Iranian Plateau and started the agricultural revolution in the Upper Mesopotamia.

Nowadays we have some direct genetic evidence that can back up this theory. If this theory can hold than those people were most likely Y-DNA R1* and R2* fellas who brought those haplogroups into the Iranian Plateau and Kurdistan. And we can assume that the ANE Mal'ta–Buret' culture type people who were the mammoth hunters themselves migrated into the Iranian Plateau. Later on those ANE R1* and R2* mammoth hunters from the 'north' mixed with the local J2 and J1 folks and kicked off the Neolithic revolution in the Upper Mesopotamia (and Zagros Mountains). If that was really the case, then it is very much possible that the legendary Samarra and early Ubaid Sumerians were partly descendants of those ancient mammoth hunters from the Northern Central Asia.

Still to this day, people of the Iranian Plateau, Kurdistan and Caucasus have the most ANE auDNA of all Western Eurasian (Caucasoid) people and Northern West Asians cluster the closest to those ANE mammoth hunters.

Since ANE Mal'ta–Buret' fella was R-M207* it is most likely that the ANE mammoth hunters brought Y-DNA hg. R1* (R1a, R1b and R2a) into Kurdistan.

You can consider those mammoth hunters as proto-nomadic hunter-gatherer people who liked to make big distances to hunt those giant mammoths. Later on those 'nomadic' hunter-gatherer 'mammoth hunters' became 'nomadic' pastoralists who replaced mammoth with cattle. The reason for that was because mammoth died out and the 'mammoth hunters' replaced those mammoths with cows, pigs and sheep.

Illustration of some of the ANE mammoth hunter ancestors who came to Caucasus/Kurdistan(Zagros) 12 thousand years ago.

[Guti]

According to the academic papers ANE = MA1 and AG3. AfontovaGora3 (AG3) sample is from 'Lake Baikal' in Central Asia.

AG3 represents ANE/Upper Paleolithic Siberian ancestry, sampled from the vicinity of Lake Baikal, while Russia_Baikal_EN related to eastern Eurasians and represents a later layer of ancestry from the same region of Siberia as AG3.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/423079-1.pdf




ANE was present in the Caucasus/Iranian Plateau thousands of years before ANE reached Europe.




As you can see, Kurds got their steppe ancestry (ANE = MA1 and AG3) mostly from CHG and Iran_N.
Iran_N had 21,8% ANE in it,
while ancient CHG had 22,2% ANE.

Thus, Iran_N/CHG are seen as descendants of populations that existed in the Villabruna→Basal Eurasian cline alluded to above, but with extra Basal Eurasian ancestry (compared to Dzudzuana), and also with ENA/ANE ancestry. The extra ENA/ANE ancestry also explains the affinity between Iran/Caucasus and EHG previously proposed as part of a North/East West Eurasian interaction sphere12, which our results suggest was created by admixture of ENA/ANE ancestry on top of the Villabruna→Basal Eurasian cline. In the north, Karelia_HG traces its ancestry to a Villabruna-related source modified by ENA/ANE admixture, while CHG/Iran_N were Dzudzuana+Basal Eurasian (or, equivalently Villabruna+Basal Eurasian) derived populations also modified by ENA/ANE admixture.

[Guti]

Guys, ANE people in their purest form disappeared much later than we think. And those people mostly live on in the Northern Caucasus people. Northern Caucasians are mostly a product of the ANE/Steppe Maykop people and the Late Maykop/Southern Caucasus people (Persians & Kurds). Pre-Maykop people who lived in the Northern Caucasus were ANE-like with some CHG. Later on they mixed with the people from Kurdistan and became 'Late Maykop' people. Consider Steppe Maykop OUTLIERS and as evidence.

As a matter of fact, the Indo-European Tocharians were also mostly ANE-like people and they died out not a long time ago. Tocharians were most likely derived from the ancient Indo-European people who still were not influenced by extra 'Uralic EHG' that influenced the Yamnaya Horizon.

People of the Maykop Cultural Horizon were very diverse. Northern Caucasus people of the Steppe Maykop were ANE-like people (ANE + some CHG), while people of the (Late) Maykop were Southern Caucasus Kurdish/Persian Iran_ChL-like for a long time. Later on the 'Steppes Maykop people' were Indo-Europeanized by the Southern Caucasus Iran_ChL Maykop people first and later on those mixed again with some 'Uralic EHG people' and became known as Yamnaya people.

Yamnaya DNA is mostly 'Steppes (Northern Caucasus) Maykop (ANE + some CHG)' + 'Southern Caucasus Maykop first stage PIEans' + 'some extra Uralic EHG'.
As this map is showing, ANE ancestry in the Steppe Maykop (Irn_ChL/proto-Yamnya), Irn_NEO, the Tocharians and even people in Alaska, is related to the Mal'ta 1 fella people. The Aryans (Irn_ChL + Trialeti) got their ANE from Mal'ta 1 type of people, mostly via the CHG (Irn_ChL/Trialeti) and some via the Irn_NEO.


https://populationgenomics.blog/2019...steppe-maykop/


Here can you see that the Steppe Maykop clusters with the ANE Mal'ta 1 fella




https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08220-8

[Guti]

double post

[Token]

Ancient Aliens-level stuff.

[Guti]

Conclusion: Caucasian/Caucasoid race was born when proto-CHG/proto-Iran_Neo mixed with ANE.

Closest people to the proto-Caucasoids are Northwestern Iranic people such as Kurds and native Caucasian (Kawkaz people) such as Georgians.

Europeans are just partly 'Caucasian/Caucasoid' and got most of their 'Caucasoid ancestry' via the Yamnaya people who were mixed with the Caucasoids (CHG/Iran_ChL).

[Guti]

Ancient Aliens-level stuff.

What do you mean? Can you tell me where I am wrong?

CHG/Iran_ChL/Iran_Neo components are reality.

Caucasoid people as the name tells us were Caucasian/Caucasoids or of 'a Caucasus origin'. Caucasus area has been populated by the CHG/Iran_ChL/Iran_Neo since the ancient times.
That means that CHG/Iran_ChL/Iran_Neo components are true Caucasian/Caucasoid auDNA admixtures.
Closest people to the ancient CHG/Iran_ChL/Iran_Neo folks are native Caucasians and Northwestern Iranics like Kurds.

Can you please tell me where I am making a mistake?

[Guti]

The biblical story of Noah's Ark is based on a story from the 'Epic of Gilgamesh'. According to the Epic of Gilgamesh, Mt. Nisir is the resting place of the ship built by Utnapishtim.

Mount Mount Nisir is located in Bashur (South Kurdistan), not far from Kurdish Soran city Silêmanî. An alternative translation of 'Mount Nisir' in the Epic of Gilgamesh XI,141a is based on the ambiguous words: "KUR-ú KUR ni-sir held tight the boat." The Sumerian word KUR can mean land or country or hill, but not mountain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Nisir


Location of Mount Nisir




One significant difference between the facts of the flood story in the Sumerian record and Genesis is the boat landing site. The Sumerian story has Noah landing on top of an ancient Sumerian temple, a ziggurat, to offer a sacrifice in the middle of the river flood. The Babylonian story lands the boat on Mount Nimush (Nisir) in a mountain range north of Mesopotamia. Genesis vaguely puts the boat landing in the "mountains of Ararat."

https://www.reenactingtheway.com/blo...y-of-the-flood


Noah had 3 sons. One of them was Japheth who came from Northwestern Asia. According to the Bible Japheth gave birth to the Caucasian/Caucasoid race.

[Zoro]

Agree with ANE in Iran-N and CHG but Malta Boy was basal R* which is so far a dead end. It’s assumed that other R lineages related to it are ancestral to American Indians and Eurasians. The R-Z93 which was formed around 5000 years ago In C. Asia and R-M417 which is ancestral to R-Z93 and formed around 8500 years ago in C. Asia? Is the predominant R1a in Kurds and other modern C. Asians but Kurds got R-Z93 from their Indo-Iranian Parthian and Scythian ancestors and not from some direct ANE ancestor unrelated to Indo-Europeans

So that Indo-Iranian ancestry is on top of CHG and Iran-N in Kurds