Origin of the Caucasian (Caucasus) race and its descedants

[Guti]

Agree with ANE in Iran-N and CHG but Malta Boy was basal R* which is so far a dead end. It’s assumed that other R lineages related to it are ancestral to American Indians and Eurasians. The R-Z93 which was formed around 5000 years ago In C. Asia and R-M417 which is ancestral to R-Z93 and formed around 8500 years ago in C. Asia? Is the predominant R1a in Kurds and other modern C. Asians but Kurds got R-Z93 from their Indo-Iranian Parthian and Scythian ancestors and not from some direct ANE ancestor unrelated to Indo-Europeans

So that Indo-Iranian ancestry is on top of CHG and Iran-N in Kurds

What do you mean? ANE mammoth hunters were not a dead end. There is a lot ANE ancestry in the Caucasus and Kurdistan. Their ancestry lives on in Northwestern Asians and they contributed to a genepool in the Caucasus and Kurdistan/Iran for about 1/4 in Northwestern Asian ancestry. I think that after 'The Last Glacial Period' (LGP), 12 thousand years ago, some mammoth hunters migrated into the Iranian Plateau, heavily mixed with the locals there and unleashed the Neolithic revolution.

And do you mean Y-DNA hg. R1a-Z94 right? Kurds don't have much of that Y-DNA lineage and that lineage is not that old. And not only just Kurds, but also all other Northwestern Iranic people such as Talysh and Gilakis. I wrote about them here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...92#post7525592

Kurds, like all other Northwestern Iranics, were already 'Western Iranic' Guto-Medes long before Parthian R1a-Z94 arrived in Kurdistan. Northwestern Iranic proto-Medes who were ancestral to all modern Northwestern Iranics predate Parthian and Scythians in Kurdistan. Parthians were just latecomers in Kurdistan compared to the ARYAN Guto-Medes.


Y-DNA haplogroups of Northwestern Iranics. As you can see, Northwestern Iranics aka ARYANS don't have a lot Y-DNA hg. R1a-Z94.

[Guti]

Btw, I don't think that Caucasian or Caucasoid is a synonym for 'White'/Europid. Native European Finno-Ugric folks like Finns and Estonians are maybe among the most 'Whitest' people in Europe, but they don't have a Caucasian/Caucasoid origin.

Example:

Estonians = fully European 'White', but not Caucasoid (CHG/Iran_ChL) people at all.


Same can be said about the Semites such as Jews, Arabs and Assyrians. Semites have Afro-Arabo-Levantine origin. Their Afro-Asian origin is very different from the origin of CHG/Iran_ChL/Iran_Neo Caucasoids. They don't belong to a CHG/Iran_ChL/Iran_Neo race.


The only true Caucasians/Caucasoids are just native Northwestern Asian people like Adygeans, Ossetians, Gilakis, Kurds, Dagestanis etc.



Nevertheless, I do agree that Semites, Europids/Whites and Caucasoids are all Western EURASIAN people.

[HectorOfTroy]

The biblical story of Noah's Ark is based on a story from the 'Epic of Gilgamesh'. According to the Epic of Gilgamesh, Mt. Nisir is the resting place of the ship built by Utnapishtim.

More like, it's a real event so of course other cultures have their own version of it. Except in the epic of gilgamesh its corrupted by saying Gilgamesh killed God/the one responsible for the flood because Gilgamesh/Babylon was a very occult culture and tied to the demonic at times (as are all pagan religions).

[HectorOfTroy]

Btw, I don't think that Caucasian or Caucasoid is a synonym for 'White'/Europid. Native European Finno-Ugric folks like Finns and Estonians are maybe among the most 'Whitest' people in Europe, but they don't have a Caucasian/Caucasoid origin.

Example:

Estonians = fully European 'White', but not Caucasoid (CHG/Iran_ChL) people at all.

Finns and Estonians have east asian Y chromosome (N). Pure European are probably nordic types, their Y chromosome is wholly European (I)

[Guti]

More like, it's a real event so of course other cultures have their own version of it. Except in the epic of gilgamesh its corrupted by saying Gilgamesh killed God/the one responsible for the flood because Gilgamesh/Babylon was a very occult culture and tied to the demonic at times (as are all pagan religions).

The Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest epic ever written. It predates Torah by more than 1000 years.

The Noah's Ark epic is most likely derived from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The Epic of Gilgamesh written c. 2150 - 1400 BCE
Torah written 6th century BCE

Torah (as of Abrahamic teaching) was for a huge part influenced by the ancient Mesopotamian traditions and Zoroastrianism.

[Guti]

Finns and Estonians have east asian Y chromosome (N). Pure European are probably nordic types, their Y chromosome is wholly European (I)

So? Finno-Ugric people are not even Indo-European. But they are among the most 'Whitest' and native people in Europe. They were in Scandinavia long before second stage PIEan Yamnaya took shape.

They are 'White'/Europide, but they are definitely NOT Caucasian/Caucasoid.

[Loki]

The history of Noah's ark is NOT derived from the Epic of Gilgamesh. The latter is not older than the former, and is a corruption of the Biblical story. Regardless of what so-called "scholars" want to tell you to try and discredit the Bible.

[Loki]

The Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest epic ever written. It predates Torah by more than 1000 years.

The Noah's Ark epic is most likely derived from the Epic of G.

The Epic of Gilgamesh written c. 2150 - 1400 BCE
Torah written 6th century BCE

Torah (as of Abrahamic teaching) was for a huge part influenced by the ancient Mesopotamian traditions and Zoroastrianism.

The Torah may have been written in the 6th century BC, but some of the stories contained in it are collected from narratives far older, and contains the truth. The Biblical narratives are far older than the Epic of Gilgamesh.

[Melonman]

Agree with ANE in Iran-N and CHG but Malta Boy was basal R* which is so far a dead end. It’s assumed that other R lineages related to it are ancestral to American Indians and Eurasians. The R-Z93 which was formed around 5000 years ago In C. Asia and R-M417 which is ancestral to R-Z93 and formed around 8500 years ago in C. Asia? Is the predominant R1a in Kurds and other modern C. Asians but Kurds got R-Z93 from their Indo-Iranian Parthian and Scythian ancestors and not from some direct ANE ancestor unrelated to Indo-Europeans

So that Indo-Iranian ancestry is on top of CHG and Iran-N in Kurds

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[Guti]

The Torah may have been written in the 6th century BC, but some of the stories contained in it are collected from narratives far older, and contains the truth. The Biblical narratives are far older than the Epic of Gilgamesh.

When the Talmud was written Babylon and Jews were part of the Northwestern Iranic Parthian Empire. The Talmud was written under the influence of the ARYAN (Parthian) doctrines.