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    Lecture by Prof. David Reich - "The Genetic History of the Southern Arc: A Bridge between West Asia & Europe" - "The lecture will be held at the Israel Institute for Advanced Studies at 11am on Tuesday, 12 July 2022."
    "We present an integrative genetic history of the Southern Arc, an area divided geographically between West Asia and Europe, but which we define as spanning the culturally entangled regions of Anatolia and its neighbors, in both Europe (Aegean and the Balkans), and in West Asia (Cyprus, Armenia, the Levant, Iraq and Iran). We employ a new analytical framework to analyze genome-wide data at the individual level from a total of 1,320 ancient individuals, 731 of which are newly reported and address major gaps in the archaeogenetic record. We report the first ancient DNA from the world’s earliest farming cultures of southeastern Anatolia and northern Mesopotamia, as well as the first Neolithic period data from Cyprus and Armenia, and discover that it was admixture of Natufian-related ancestry from the Levant—mediated by Mesopotamian and Levantine farmers, and marked by at least two expansions associated with dispersal of pre-pottery and pottery cultures—that generated a pan-West Asian Neolithic continuum. Our comprehensive sampling shows that Anatolia received hardly any genetic input from Europe or the Eurasian steppe from the Chalcolithic to the Iron Age; this contrasts with Southeastern Europe and Armenia that were impacted by major gene flow from Yamnaya steppe pastoralists.
    In the Balkans, we reveal a patchwork of Bronze Age populations with diverse proportions of steppe ancestry in the aftermath of the ~3000 BCE Yamnaya migrations, paralleling the linguistic diversity of Paleo-Balkan speakers. We provide insights into the Mycenaean period of the Aegean by documenting variation in the proportion of steppe ancestry (including some individuals who lack it altogether), and finding no evidence for systematic differences in steppe ancestry among social strata, such as those of the elite buried at the Palace of Nestor in Pylos.
    A striking signal of steppe migration into the Southern Arc is evident in Armenia and northwest Iran where admixture with Yamnaya patrilineal descendants occurred, coinciding with their 3rd millennium BCE displacement from the steppe itself. This ancestry, pervasive across numerous sites of Armenia of ~2000-600 BCE, was diluted during the ensuing centuries to only a third of its peak value, making no further western inroads from there into any part of Anatolia, including the geographically adjacent Lake Van center of the Iron Age Kingdom of Urartu. The impermeability of Anatolia to exogenous migration contrasts with our finding that the Yamnaya had two distinct gene flows, both from West Asia, suggesting that the Indo-Anatolian language family originated in the eastern wing of the Southern Arc and that the steppe served only as a secondary staging area of Indo-European language dispersal. The demographic significance of Anatolia on a Mediterranean-wide scale is further documented by our finding that following the Roman conquest, the Anatolian population remained stable and became the geographic source for much of the ancestry of Imperial Rome itself." https://iias.huji.ac.il/event/david-...V3ENwWjqn7Y9hI
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    Is the paper coming out this month? That is what i had understood.

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    There will be 3 papers divided in different timeframes.

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    Information of the southern arc study leaked in Eupedia:

    Quote Originally Posted by Moja
    Three articles will be published on August 26, someone who works with David Reich said to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moja
    He didn't give more info but it seems he has those articles.



    16 new samples from Hasanlu in the northwest of Iran, all of them R1b with no EHG ancestry
    I have already no more info, he says that I should wait until friday.

    Edit: He said those are R1b-Z2103.
    If this guy is telling the truth I guess this mean that R1b-Z2103 migrated to the steppe from the caucasus/Iran area and was responsible for the CHG component in Yamnaya.
    The CHG were part ANE anyway (45 % - 60 %)so i am guessing they took from it some paternal lineages, likely R1b while R1a formed in the steppes
    and there became more prevailent from the start among EHG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tongio View Post
    Information of the southern arc study leaked in Eupedia:






    If this guy is telling the truth I guess this mean that R1b-Z2103 migrated to the steppe from the caucasus/Iran area and was responsible for the CHG component in Yamnaya.
    The CHG were part ANE anyway (45 % - 60 %)so i am guessing they took from it some paternal lineages, likely R1b while R1a formed in the steppes
    and there became more prevailent from the start among EHG.
    It will depend on the dating of these samples. Some guy with insider information said they are from Iron Age Iran; if so it will not change anything and R1b-Z2103 will still be from Yamnaya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    It will depend on the dating of these samples. Some guy with insider information said they are from Iron Age Iran; if so it will not change anything and R1b-Z2103 will still be from Yamnaya.
    I think It makes sense that Moja guy ignored this possibility he is not an unbiased guy.Still If they had no apearent EHG ancestry (if true )makes this less likely. But always when someone says that sort of generalisation i think of the nuragic sardinian, who suposedly should have little to no steppe ancestry on the three way model , but when modeled with Bell beacker instead of Yamnaya show up to 40% BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tongio View Post
    I think It makes sense that Moja guy ignored this possibility he is not an unbiased guy.Still If they had no apearent EHG ancestry (if true )makes this less likely. But always when someone says that sort of generalisation i think of the nuragic sardinian, who suposedly should have little to no steppe ancestry on the three way model , but when modeled with Bell beacker instead of Yamnaya show up to 40% BB.
    True. The people (almost always West Asians, an excellent example of perspectivism at work) who are expecting a direct proof of Iran -> Steppe PIE will probably be very disappointed, Harvard's Iran hypothesis is entirely based on the supposed lack of significant steppe ancestry in Bronze Age Anatolia which is a very tenuous and indirect evidence at best.

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    Teppe Hasanlu is a very old archaeological site and dates back to 6th millennium BC! It was a Iran_ChL site, most likely related to the ancient Ubaid Sumerians, the legendary Aratta people!

    Later on it received a huge portion of the Trialeti ancestry. Trialeti itself was a mixture between Irn_ChL and Yamnaya.


    Teppe Hasanlu people (Gutians and later their descendants the Medes) were R1b-Z2103 people themselves. I think there was a some kind of back and forth migration between the Teppe Hasanlu, Trialeti and Yamnaya.



    You can see a Mesopotamian eagle with a human head next to it (like a double-headed eagle) on this Median Hasanlu 'Gold Bowl' from 1200BC with the spoke wheels horse chariots and maybe even a swastika on the haunch of the lion. It has been claimed to be a swastika: https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedi...-hasanlu-bowl/





    This ARYAN 'Gold Bowl' is at least 3200 years old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guti View Post
    Teppe Hasanlu is a very old archaeological site and dates back to 6th millennium BC! It was a Iran_ChL site, most likely related to the ancient Ubaid Sumerians, the legendary Aratta people!

    Later on it received a huge portion of the Trialeti ancestry. Trialeti itself was a mixture between Irn_ChL and Yamnaya.


    Teppe Hasanlu people (Gutians and later their descendants the Medes) were R1b-Z2103 people themselves. I think there was a some kind of back and forth migration between the Teppe Hasanlu, Trialeti and Yamnaya.
    About the site:

    The excavators originally divided the site’s occupation history into ten periods based on the nature of material finds in the different strata: the oldest, period X, stretches back to the Neolithic period, after which there was fairly continuous occupation until the early Iron Age (ca 1250–330 BC), followed by a hiatus before subsequent reoccupation; occupation finally ends in Iran’s medieval period (Hasanlu period I).[20]

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    Keep in mind that the Iron Age in northwestern Asia (Anatolia, Kurdistan, Caucasus) started earlier and before the Iron Age in Europe.

    Iron Age in northwestern Asia PREDATES the Iron Age in Europe.

    Around the early Iron Age of northernwest Asia, 1200 BCE, the Aryan Medes from Kurdistan started to expand into all direction. They reached the Steppes and mixed with the locals there and became known as Sarmatians (Sau-Martes/Solar_Medes) and reached Central Asia, mixed with the locals and became known as the Parthians.

    We have already Y-DNA hg. R1b of the Iron Age Hasanlu Guto-Medes, and those samples are a mixture between the native Irn_ChL and Trialeti ancestry. So, it had Yamnaya ancestry in it.
    If the new found samples from Hasanlu are older than the Trialeti culture then it can change some theories.



    Iron Swords from Southeast Kurdistan/Luristan, Zagros Mountains, from 1000-800 BC. https://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/am...ne/rb_1_3.html





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