Lecture by Prof. David Reich - "The Genetic History of the Southern Arc

[Voskos]

I4530 302 TUR_BlackSea_Samsun_Anc_A Cedit, Basarabya (Black Sea, Samsun, llkadım) Turkey 41,313 36,33 66,20% T-CTS8489 U3a2a1
I14799 375 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_A Basilica (Marmara, Iznik) Turkey 40,42 29,71 52,66% T-CTS9984 I1

That's upstream of my haplogroup. and this as well:

I7833 340 GRC_Marathon_Rom Vranas Marathon Greece 38,122207 23,946392 80,92% T-CTS3767 H

[MandM]

I saw that Bulgarians have far more haplogroup E then Albanians, those this mean that the theory that Thracian were more haplo group E then Illyrians? And that Albanians are probably more from Thracian origins then Illyrians?

Both of this Bulgarian samples are my upstreams
E-BY3880
E-L618

[Voskos]

Both of this Bulgarian samples are my upstreams
E-BY3880
E-L618

Nice

[Voskos]

I saw that Bulgarians have far more haplogroup E then Albanians, those this mean that the theory that Thracian were more haplo group E then Illyrians? And that Albanians are probably more from Thracian origins then Illyrians?

There is still the E1b sample from Croatia though (E-L618) from some other paper. It is possible that slavic descent pushed Illyrians from the north further south and caused R1b to decrease in favour of E1b imho. Add that to: genetic drift , some bias in the sampling of the papers (not many locations sampled). Just my opinion. But surely some of it could be Thracian.

[MandM]

There is still the E1b sample from Croatia though (E-L618) from some other paper. It is possible that slavic descent pushed Illyrians from the north further south and caused R1b to decrease in favour of E1b imho. Add that to: genetic drift , some bias in the sampling of the papers (not many locations sampled). Just my opinion. But surely some of it could be Thracian.

Interesting, i have heard somthing similar, but insted of the slavic, it was the Romans that made many flee to southern balkan

[kingmob]

Interesting, i have heard somthing similar, but insted of the slavic, it was the Romans that made many flee to southern balkan

It's a Thraco-Dacian (thus Vlach) marker, more probably than not.

[MandM]

It's a Thraco-Dacian (thus Vlach) marker, more probably than not.

So you think that haplogroup E is more a Thraco-Dacian

[Varda]

I saw that Bulgarians have far more haplogroup E then Albanians, those this mean that the theory that Thracian were more haplo group E then Illyrians? And that Albanians are probably more from Thracian origins then Illyrians?

Both of this Bulgarian samples are my upstreams
E-BY3880
E-L618

Most common haplos of Illyrians were probably J2b2-M241 and some R1b. It seems E-V13 was not common among Illyrians, but it was very common among Thracians.

Proto-Albanians probably originated from eastern Balkan.

[hazmatnik]

So you think that haplogroup E is more a Thraco-Dacian

E-V13 stays pretty elusive. We do have lack of BA samples, situation is better in IA but still not that good. As of now Thraco-Dacian theory appears the most probable one.
One of reasons EV13 is so scarce could be the fact they mostly cremated or they lived in regions which are not sampled that much (like Romania).
Interesting fact is that R-Z93 was found beside E-V13 at Kapitan Andreevo site.

[MandM]

E-V13 stays pretty elusive. We do have lack of BA samples, situation is better in IA but still not that good. As of now Thraco-Dacian theory appears the most probable one.
One of reasons EV13 is so scarce could be the fact they mostly cremated or they lived in regions which are not sampled that much (like Romania).
Interesting fact is that R-Z93 was found beside E-V13 at Kapitan Andreevo site.

Well my belife at the moment is also that it is a Thraco-Dacian HG.
R-Z93 is an interesting finde, But its been found in many places around Europe and old sovjet states doe.could it have been a merchant or maby a traveler that just stayd the rest if his life around Andreevo