Lecture by Prof. David Reich - "The Genetic History of the Southern Arc

[kingmob]

True. The people (almost always West Asians, an excellent example of perspectivism at work) who are expecting a direct proof of Iran -> Steppe PIE will probably be very disappointed

So I take it you have inside info of this being the case? Do you mind sharing it with us?

[kingmob]

**double post**

[Fortnite777]

True. The people (almost always West Asians, an excellent example of perspectivism at work) who are expecting a direct proof of Iran -> Steppe PIE will probably be very disappointed, Harvard's Iran hypothesis is entirely based on the supposed lack of significant steppe ancestry in Bronze Age Anatolia which is a very tenuous and indirect evidence at best.

I'd just like to wait and see if the study includes any elite burials. If the invasion of Anatolia was like the invasion of Hungary, you've got a couple hundred year window to find an aristocracy with some degree of elevated x ancestry. And the thing is, the elite Hittites were cremated and their burial sites are illusive.

[Guti]

What people seem to forget is that proto-Indo-Anatolian language family predates the Yamnaya culture. With simple words, when proto-Indo-Anatolian people existed, the Yamnaya people from the Steppes who penetrated Europe were not fully formed yet.

[Zoro]

It will depend on the dating of these samples. Some guy with insider information said they are from Iron Age Iran; if so it will not change anything and R1b-Z2103 will still be from Yamnaya.

They’re Chalcolithic Hasanlu samples because the Iron Age Mede era samples were shown to have about 30% Turkmenistan-IA related and Turkmenistan-IA was shown to have about 60% Andronovo related https://eurasiandna.com/2659-2/

If you do the math 0.6x30%= 18% Andronovo Steppe related for Hasanlu-IA. Therefore must have EHG.I have full faith that Eurasian DNA’s numbers will be the most accurate just judging on how much more technical that site is than the other blogs

[Halgurd]

They’re Chalcolithic Hasanlu samples because the Iron Age Mede era samples were shown to have about 30% Turkmenistan-IA related and Turkmenistan-IA was shown to have about 60% Andronovo related https://eurasiandna.com/2659-2/

If you do the math 0.6x30%= 18% Andronovo Steppe related for Hasanlu-IA. Therefore must have EHG.I have full faith that Eurasian DNA’s numbers will be the most accurate just judging on how much more technical that site is than the other blogs

This is what I’ve been saying - it doesn’t add up. The current Iron Age samples in Hasanlu and Hajji Firuz all clearly display EHG derived ancestry. These new samples cannot be from the Iron Age and not have EHG. It would, however, be plausible if they had no EHG and were from the Chalcolithic.

[Token]

I'd just like to wait and see if the study includes any elite burials. If the invasion of Anatolia was like the invasion of Hungary, you've got a couple hundred year window to find an aristocracy with some degree of elevated x ancestry. And the thing is, the elite Hittites were cremated and their burial sites are illusive.

Yep, mass migration from the steppe was never necessary to explain Anatolian. Archaeology clearly shows a very early (5th millennium) elite migration from the North Pontic steppe into the Balkans (Suvorovo-Novodanilovka culture), and thence into western Anatolia.

[Token]

They’re Chalcolithic Hasanlu samples because the Iron Age Mede era samples were shown to have about 30% Turkmenistan-IA related and Turkmenistan-IA was shown to have about 60% Andronovo related https://eurasiandna.com/2659-2/

If you do the math 0.6x30%= 18% Andronovo Steppe related for Hasanlu-IA. Therefore must have EHG.I have full faith that Eurasian DNA’s numbers will be the most accurate just judging on how much more technical that site is than the other blogs

Nope, the samples will be from an Iron Age battle layer.

[Guti]

Yep, mass migration from the steppe was never necessary to explain Anatolian. Archaeology clearly shows a very early (5th millennium) elite migration from the North Pontic steppe into the Balkans (Suvorovo-Novodanilovka culture), and thence into western Anatolia.

Lol, by that time people in Europe were still EEF/ANF people.

If your scenario is true than it were the Anatolian farmers from Anatolia who brought Indo-European languages into Europe. But it has been ruled out that the Anatolian farmers from Western Asian Anatolia brought Indo-European language into Europe.


Major Steppe migrations into Europe only occurred after Yamnaya, and Yamnaya was younger that proto-Indo-Anatolian family group.

[Token]

Lol, by that time people in Europe were still EEF/ANF people.

If your scenario is true than it were the Anatolian farmers from Anatolia who brought Indo-European language into Europe. But it has been ruled out that the Anatolian farmers from Western Asian Anatolia brought Indo-European language into Europe.


Major Steppe migrations into Europe only occurred after Yamnaya, and Yamnaya was younger that proto-Indo-Anatolian family group.

Why am I not surprised that you have the reasoning power of a banana? The first wave of steppe migrations into the Balkans predates Yamnaya by nearly one millennium, this has been known since Gimbutas.