The origin of Proto Indo-European languages is moved from the Steppe to near Kurdistan & Armenia

[Guti]

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Kurds have a lot Armenia_MLBA (Trialeti) ancestry in them. It is where Kurds got most of their 'Steppe' ancestry from. And those Trialeti people were also (partly) R1b people, similar to the Yamnaya and Kurdish types. This can't be a coincidence.

Nevertheless keep in mind that the first stage PIEans predate a Trialeti culture by thousands of years. The early Trialeti phase was around 2000 BCE, so it is possible that Trialeti was just a back migration culture from the Late Maykop/Yamnya area (Northern Caucaus).

[Guti]

According to Prof. Dr. Johannes Krause. Btw, he is not a Kurd, but an ethnic German.





chapter 6 from this book

[kingmob]

Hopefully, L584s in the sample collection.

[Hektor12]

I have a clear and sincere question= What does Lesser Caucasus; which is historically armenian highland, have to do with Kurdistan, a late Ottoman invention? Its not Zagros mountains that i see in the map..

[Guti]

I have a clear and sincere question= What does Lesser Caucasus; which is historically armenian highland, have to do with Kurdistan, a late Ottoman invention? Its not Zagros mountains that i see in the map..

It is where Kurdistansky Uyezd (Red Kurdistan) is located. Stalin deported many ethnic Kurds from that area into Kazakhstan and other parts of Central Asia.



https://kurdishpeople.org/red-kurdistan/

[Hektor12]

It is where Kurdistansky Uyezd (Red Kurdistan) is located. Stalin deported many ethnic Kurds from that area into Kazakhstan and other parts of Central Asia.



https://kurdishpeople.org/red-kurdistan/

I see, another communist invention. I ask again, what this region "armenian highland" have to do with Kurdistan, a place around Zagros Mountains..?

[Guti]

I see, another communist invention. I ask again, what this region "armenian highland" have to do with Kurdistan, a place around Zagros Mountains..?

Kurds have been living there for thousands of years. Many Kurds were more native to that region than Armenians. Most Armenians are actually from Anatolia. After the Armenian Genocide in Anatolia many Armenians migrated into by the Soviets created republic of Armenia. Armenians are 'Anatolian' people and not really the 'Caucasian' people.


Southern Caucasus and the western parts of the Caspian Sea are part of the Aryan/Western Iranic world. It was part of the Median and Persian Empires.

It is also known as the Lesser Media.

[Hektor12]

Southern Caucasus and the western parts of the Caspian Sea are part of the Aryan/Western Iranic world. It was part of the Median and Persian Empires.

Agree and still cant see why Kurdistan, a late Ottoman invention is included in the title.

[Guti]

Agree and still cant see why Kurdistan, a late Ottoman invention is included in the title.

I don't understand why you are confused?!

Kurdi-stan is similar to Kurd-land. Kurdistan means 'the land where Kurds live'. 'Stan' is an Iranic/Aryan suffix for land.

Similar to Eng-land. Only Aryan term/suffix for land is '-stan'. And therefore we got Kurdistan.

Since Kurds (and their ancestor the Medes) have been living in those areas for thousands of years, you can see Kurdistan also as a place 'where Kuds have been living as natives for thousands of years'. The land of the Kurds (Western Iranics).

[Guti]

Btw, according to the academic world PIEans came most likely from an area between Northwestern parts of the Iranian Plateau/Kurdistan and Southern Caucasus.

So to be more precisely from an area between Kurdistan Lake Urmia and Armenian Lake Sevan.


I think that the earliest stages of PIEan were not in the South Caucasus, but a little bit more to south-east, so closer to Lake Urmia, than to Lake Sevan.