The most Slavic looking Balkanian country in your opinion is?

[Vožd]

I agree that bulgars are mostly Pontids and kinda meso-dochilo country compared to other slavic states,but isn't also serbia pretty much Pontid too?

I am watching serbs every summer in my village,and the majority of you are Pontid or Pontid+CM.

I rarely see Dinarids.Am i wrong?

Yes, many Pontids too, especially eastern and north Serbia, i just use Bulgaria as random example, to explain my point about "Slavic look" based only on hair/eye color.

[Livin]

Yes, many Pontids too, especially eastern and north Serbia, i just use Bulgaria as random example, to explain my point about "Slavic look" based only on hair/eye color.

Well,to be fair.I am watching brachy people but they are not exactly textbook dinarids.They have very robust faces(CM influence).

And yes i see mostly Pontids and North Pontids.Especially your (Pontid/North Pontid) women are very attractive

[Jana]

Dalmatia was largely depopulated by the Ottomans in the 16th century. Modern day Dalmatians of both Croatian and Serbian ethnicity can largely trace their roots back to BIH including my own ancestors who mainly came from Western Bosnia in the 16th and 17th centuries. The original Dalmatian Croats were largely butchered or they fled North and settled there; it's similar to how modern day Vojvodina Serbs can often trace back their roots to Sandzak as they were also chased out. So modern day Dalmatian Croats aren't that representative of the original Croat state. I wouldn't call Dalmatians super Slavic, there are some who are but they plot to the South of other croats excluding Herzegovinians and are probably more paleo-Balkan inflluenced.

You can see dinaro-Meds and stuff in Dalmatia that probably wouldn't exist in Osijek or somewhere.

Not really. There was no population replacement in Dalmatia as most of exiled people returned back. Chakavian population is entirely aboriginal.
Besides there is absolutely no difference between inland Dalmatia and western BiH, same people since middle ages.

[Jana]

BTW, average Dalmatian Croat has ZERO Italian input. I don't like this BS and exegerrating Italian influence there except in culture ofcourse. Istrian Croats are mixed with Italians, Dalmatians are not except coastal city population like Robocop.

I am 50% Dalmatian and have absolutely no Italian ancestors that I know of, and I am an islander. Slavic paternal lineages are highest in Dalmatia out od entire Croatia, not elsewhere and it makes sense since Croats settled there.

[Ayetooey]

Not really. There was no population replacement in Dalmatia as most of exiled people returned back. Chakavian population is entirely aboriginal.
Besides there is absolutely no difference between inland Dalmatia and western BiH, same people since middle ages.

I am talking about inland Dalmatia, not the Islands. Before the Ottoman invasions Inland Dalmatia was largely Chakavian.



Post Ottoman pre 1990s you can see inland Dalmatian Croats spoke Ikvakian, which they brought from BIH in the great migrations, and Dalmatian Serbs spoke East Herzegovinian.



Where modern day Chakvakian is spoken.



Other than linguistic ties which show their origination from BIH, you can trace easily individual surnames of inlander Dalmatians and they probably come from BIH originally, which was obviously largely catholic. Yes Dalmatians and BIH Croats are literally the same people, same with Dalmatian Serbs and BIH Serbs.

[Jana]

^^^^yes. But from what I have seen, there is no genetic difference between southern Chakavian and Stokavian Croats. Only Kajkavians shift NW a bit (sometimes more than a bit)

[Ayetooey]

^^^^yes. But from what I have seen, there is no genetic difference between southern Chakavian and Stokavian Croats. Only Kajkavians shift NW a bit (sometimes more than a bit)

What dialect do they speak in split btw? My language skills are basic conversational but my dad can speak fluently with those people, are they west Stokavian?

[Jana]

What dialect do they speak in split btw? My language skills are basic conversational but my dad can speak fluently with those people, are they west Stokavian?

Autochtonous people of old Split (in neighbourhoods geto, varoš ...) are Chakavian. But majority of people are Štokavian/Ikavian. Because many Vlaji origin people are in Split for quite long, and recently Herzegovina Croats too.

[aherne]

Republic of Moldova, without slightest doubt. Locals are as Slavic looking as Poles...

[Pribislav]

Republic of Moldova, without slightest doubt. Locals are as Slavic looking as Poles...

Moldavians are not nation, they bunch of Romanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Gagauzes, Tatars... Moldavians are like Belgians or Swiss people.

Moldavia has a lot of Ukrainians and Russians which colonized Moldavia after 1810.

Slavic influence among Romanian speaking Moldavians is mostly recent, from marriages with Ukrainians and Russians in the last few decades or 100 years. So many Romanian speaking Moldavians are recent Vlacho-Slavic hybrids.
Regardless of that if Ukrainians and Russians would ne removed from Moldova, than Latin speaking Moldavians would be maybe just slightly more Slavic shifted than Romanians.

Moldavian rulers from the middle age looked ultra Vlach, same as Latin speaking Moldavians.

Bogdan Dragos - Voivode of Moldavia (ultra Vlach looks)



Bogdan I of Moldavia (ultra Vlach looks)