View Poll Results: Why is the US systematically ranked as being more corrupt than the UK?

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  • The country's ethnic demographics.

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  • The country's severe socioeconomic inequalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    So would it be correct to say that unfettered/unregulated markets = corruption? Cuz it all would seem geared for the highest bidder (literally) to get his way, so to speak, regardless of ethics.
    Ironic you say that, because usually we are taught that (logically) it is closed regimes with command/semi-command economies that are the most prone to corruption...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Ironic you say that, because usually we are taught that (logically) it is closed regimes with command/semi-command economies that are the most prone to corruption...
    The flaw with that reasoning is that it assumes the Rousseauian dogma of human beings being innately "good" to be correct, when usually the opposite is the case, as Machiavelli liked to put. In other words, if there isn't a third party acting as overlord keeping order, people will behave in the sleaziest way possible at the first opportunity in order to get their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    The flaw with that reasoning is that it assumes the Rousseauian dogma of human beings being innately "good" to be correct, when usually the opposite is the case, as Machiavelli liked to put. In other words, if there isn't a third party acting as overlord keeping order, people will behave in the sleaziest way possible at the first opportunity in order to get their way.
    Yes I know it offends people here (understandably) when I try to point out the good side of Cuba, but Transparency International ranks it as less corrupt than most democracies in Latin America, Africa, Asia and even some in Europe. People I know who have been there say that, while poor, most people are remarkably trustworthy and straight-laced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    So would it be correct to say that unfettered/unregulated markets = corruption? Cuz it all would seem geared for the highest bidder (literally) to get his way, so to speak, regardless of ethics.
    Yes, I will be a bit hyperbolic and provokative and say that in a so-called "democratic" society with unregulated markets and political institutions, you just need 50+1% of the people voting to win, while an "authoritarian" society require a much higher % of mass adhesion to hold the power, which means it is more costly in terms of propaganda for an oligarchy to rule than in a democratic regime !

    This is why oligarchs/mafia rule more in "pseudo"-democratic regimes than in real autocracies...

    Italy under Mussolini eliminated the mafia, while in post-WW2, Italian mafia flourished again (thanks to the US help also...)
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    Dont know but its a good question to ask julian assange before the US tries to kill him for telling the truth

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post
    Yes, I will be a bit hyperbolic and provokative and say that in a so-called "democratic" society with unregulated markets and political institutions, you just need 50+1% of the people voting to win, while an "authoritarian" society require a much higher % of mass adhesion to hold the power, which means it is more costly in terms of propaganda for an oligarchy to rule than in a democratic regime !

    This is why oligarchs/mafia rule more in "pseudo"-democratic regimes than in real autocracies...

    Italy under Mussolini eliminated the mafia, while in post-WW2, Italian mafia flourished again (thanks to the US help also...)
    Yes, but authoritarian regimes can rely mostly if not solely on force in the way that (pseudo) democracies cannot. Even if both may be equally propaganda-laden.

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