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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    You are welcome but those articles etc... are just the tip of iceberg. I could probably dig up more but those are the most salient to me currently.
    If you find anything else of interest, lemme know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by znenammi View Post
    Your middle school diploma (?) is bullshit megathread.
    "Psychiatry is the drug industry's paradise, as definitions of psychiatric disorders are vague and easy to manipulate. Leading psychiatrists are... at high risk of corruption and, indeed, psychiatrists collect more money from drug makers than doctors in any other specialty. Those who take the most money tend to prescribe antipsychotics to children most often. Psychiatrists are also “educated” with industry's hospitality more often than any other specialty. This has dire consequences for the patients."
    Peter Gřtzsche, Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime (2013).

    "The DSM is a kind of chaotic bible used to promote mental diseases. With its code numbers used for insurance, some call it the billing bible. Created primarily by psychiatrists on industry payroll, it mutates and metastasizes every few years through a vote of the APA members. In 2017, after many editions, it was 947 pages long.
    Insiders have decried its intellectual disarray for decades. It has become the perverse standard in the service of drug marketing. The following are a few inside opinions about it:

    There was very little systematic research, and much of the research that existed was really a hodgepodge—scattered, inconsistent, and ambiguous. I think the majority of us recognized that the amount of good, solid science upon which we were making our decisions was pretty modest.
    Christopher Lane in Shyness: How Normal Behavior Became a Sickness (2007), .

    quoting one of the DSM's contributors.
    I pictured all these normal-enough people being captured in DSM-5’s excessively wide diagnostic net, and I worried that many would be exposed to unnecessary medicine with possibly dangerous side effects. The drug companies would be licking their chops figuring out how best to exploit the inviting new targets for their well-practiced disease mongering. I was keenly alive to the risks because of painful firsthand experience—despite our efforts to tame excessive diagnostic exuberance, DSM-IV had since been misused to blow up the diagnostic bubble.
    Allen Frances, lead psychiatrist, DSM IV, author, Saving Normal (2013)

    The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) in 2013 finally tossed the DSM—psychiatry’s diagnostic system—into the wastebasket.
    Bruce E. Levine, psychologist and journalist.

    Of the 170 contributors to the most recent edition of the ... DSM... ninety-five had financial ties to drug companies, including all of the contributors to the sections on mood disorders and schizophrenia… Not only did the DSM become the bible of psychiatry, but like the real Bible, it depended a lot on something akin to revelation. There are no citations of scientific studies to support its decisions. That is an astonishing omission.
    Marcia Angell (2011), former editor-in-chief of NEJM

    The DSM’s diagnostic categories lack validity, and the NIMH will be re-orienting its research away from DSM categories.
    Former NIMH Director Thomas Insel

    The authors of the DSM seem more preoccupied with politically correct jargon than substance. There are hundreds of psychiatry blogs where participants argue obsessively about the terminology, and there is a massive effort in each edition to update it. For example:

    They changed Mental Retardation to Intellectual Disability. In 2010, this change was written into federal law.

    Multiple Personality Disorder morphed into Dissociative Identity Disorder for the DSM-V.
    Other diagnoses were hatched, for example Disruptive Mood Dysregulation Disorder and Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder. This was formerly Late Luteal Phase Dysphoric Disorder. ..." Robert Yoho MD, Butchered by Healthcare

    "Counterfeit art is forgery. Counterfeit testimony is perjury. But counterfeit illness is illness, “mental illness,” an illness officially decreed “an illness like any other.” The consequences of this policy—economic, legal, medical, moral, philosophical, political, and social—are momentous: counterfeit disability, counterfeit disease, counterfeit doctoring, and the bureaucracies and industries administering, adjudicating, and providing for them make up a substantial part of the national economies of modern Western societies.

    According to classic, pathological-scientific criteria, disease is a product manufactured by the body, in the same sense that urine is. Diagnosis, in contrast, is aa product manufactured by persons, in the same sense that works of art are. Charcot and Freud discarded the somatic pathological criterion of disease, destroying the empirical-rational basis for distinguishing real medical disorders of the body (diseases) from fake psychiatric disorders of the “mind” (nondiseases). Modern psychiatry is a gigantic edifice built on the poisoned ruins of this destruction.

    Except for a few objectively identifiable brain diseases, such as Alzheimer’s disease, there are neither biological or chemical tests nor biopsy or necropsy findings for verifying or falsifying DSM diagnoses." Professor of Psychiatry Thomas Szasz SUNY Syracuse New York , Psychiatry the Science of Lies

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    Quote Originally Posted by znenammi View Post
    Your middle school diploma (?) is bullshit megathread.
    "Of the 170 contributors to the most recent edition of the ... DSM... ninety-five had financial ties to drug companies, including all of the contributors to the sections on mood disorders and schizophrenia… Not only did the DSM become the bible of psychiatry, but like the real Bible, it depended a lot on something akin to revelation. There are no citations of scientific studies to support its decisions. That is an astonishing omission."
    Marcia Angell (2011), former editor-in-chief of NEJM


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    Quote Originally Posted by znenammi View Post
    Your middle school diploma (?) is bullshit megathread.
    Argumentum Ad Hominem :

    (Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Argumentum Ad Hominem :

    (Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.
    Finally you have learnt some Latin (although it's something I learnt at 10 y.o.; John Stuart Mill started learning Greek at 3, Latin at 6-8).

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    Quote Originally Posted by znenammi View Post
    Finally you have learnt some Latin (although it's something I learnt at 10 y.o.; John Stuart Mill started learning Greek at 3, Latin at 6-8).
    Yeah,well being a Libertarian Mill would or should have been against involuntary psychiatric treatment.

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    Latin and Greek : codex veritas :

    Modern books are usually better than older ones. This is partly because modern books benefit from more up-to-date knowledge (tho they don't always), and partly because the publishing business is now very competitive, unlike in earlier days, years, or centuries; and competition means the best will generally rise to the top (ie, get published). A great many older books ('classics') are much overpraised, but it took me a long time to figure out that it was the books which were lousy, and not my taste.

    Don't waste your time reading lousy stuff, even if it is supposed to be 'important'. If it's lousy, chances are it's not important at all, at least for your purposes.

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