Who are Montenegrins

[Absinthe]

according to you every single nation in Europe is albanian (romanians are long lost albanians, montenegrins are slavicized albanians) ... is there an end to this pan-albanism of yours ?

Greeks are Albanians too, as it appears from the classification threads

[Onychodus]

they call themselves Montenegrins or Chernogorians?

[Ushtari]

LOL as if Albanians can claim right to everything Illyrian. To suggest plenty of ppl in MNE called themselves "Albanians" 600 years ago is nothing other than ludicrous. Not only that but they aren't physically quite the same either. And term Montenegrin is abit confusing as it includes actually peoples who were historically not "Montenegrin" until they got incorporated into their state. Such as people from "Brda(highlands)" and "Old Herzegovina" (Northwestern Montenegro), the latter are Herzegovinians actually.

I know plenty of Montenegrins here in Schweden and all of them look typical Albanian.

Coon actually studied them and came to the conclusion that they are to a large part slavicied Albanians.

"The Montenegrins, who are the tallest people in Europe, live on a barren limestone mountain upland, where they, for centuries, succeeded in maintainingnheir Christianity and their freedom while surrounded by the Turks. They, like the northern Albanians, preserve their old exogamous clan organization, and their clan loyalties and feuds. They are linguistically Serbs, but there can be no question that they are to a large extent Slavicized Albanians; the cultural continuity between the two peoples is striking, the only real differences being those of language and religion."

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII10.htm

They even admitted themselves they descend from Albanian families:



And it is commonly known that Albanian tribes in Montenegro got assimilated(text by Miranda Vickers)

In Kosovo, especially in its eastern part, most Albanians were gradually assimilated into the Eastern Orthodox faith by numerous methods, including the baptism of infants with Serbian names and the conducting of all religious ceremonies such as marriages in the Serbian language. In Montenegro entire tribes such as the Kuc, Bjellopavliq, Palabardha, Piprraj and Vasovic were assimilated; those who resisted assimilation retreated into the hills of what is now northern Albania.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/v/vickers-serb.html

[Panopticon]

LOL as if Albanians can claim right to everything Illyrian. To suggest plenty of ppl in MNE called themselves "Albanians" 600 years ago is nothing other than ludicrous. Not only that but they aren't physically quite the same either. And term Montenegrin is abit confusing as it includes actually peoples who were historically not "Montenegrin" until they got incorporated into their state. Such as people from "Brda(highlands)" and "Old Herzegovina" (Northwestern Montenegro), the latter are Herzegovinians actually.

Travellers who visited Montenegro usually commented on the cultural and physical similarities between Albanians and Montenegrins. They often went as far as saying that they are basically the same people, so it's not something only we Albanians think and claim.

Albanian presence went as far as Dalmatia and Herzegovina 600 years ago just to make that clear. The The borders we see today haven't been there forever.

[Prengs]

are they Serbs or it is a distinct ethnical group?

They are distinct. Otherwise would not exists "Montegrins miniority" in Serbia or Serbian miniority (Although there are more in number) in Montenegro.

[safinator]

Negroes that migrated to mountains.

[Dacul]

Montenegrins are from dacian tribes mixed with slavs speaking south slavic.
According to some romanian scientists,dacians were living were Romania is mainly (including Bessarabia and Bukovina) and at north,their neighbours were slavs/sclaveni and north neighbours of slavs / sclaveni were balto-slavs.
All were speaking satem indo-european languages.
And Danube was said to divide from north thracians to south thracians,so I think sclaveni together with dacians and balto-slavs and populations of south of Danube were considered thracians.
Sure albanians came now with the ideea that slavs are not from thracians and they migrated here from outside Europe,but that is not true.

[Rereg]

They are isolated Serbs.

[rashka]

Montenegrins are Serbs and are known to be a very beautiful people.


Quote about Montenegrins from 1896 London book The Leisure Hour:

On market days the road swarms with Montenegrins, with their mules, asses, or small ponies, carrying produce to the coast, or returning with purchases. Burdens are borne along the difficult road not only by the animlas, but by men and women. Of these burdens the women seemingly take an undue share. The traveller is struck with the lofty stature of the men, and is favourably impressed with their manly bearing, square brows, and intelligent countenances; their hair is generally brown, and their large eyes blue, or perhaps oftener dark grey. The women he finds of middle stature, thick set, and with weather-beaten complexions. Their expression is generally pleasing, being intelligent, as well as cheerful. But whatever good looks they may have in youth, it is evident they too soon lose by exposure and hard toil.

[B01AB20]

the name 'montenegro' seems spanish (literally black mount), but it must be of italian or latin origin I guess, of course I don't think 'montenegro' sounds like anything slavic... or albanian.

where comes this name from?