Who are Montenegrins

[Ayetooey]

Self identified Montenegrins from Brda are often Albo/Serb hybrids; a lot of clan/tribal mixing happened and this is undeniable. Serbs from Montenegro are Serbs though; and Montenegrins from Zeta/Old Herzegovina are closest to Serbs.

[Moje ime]

They're obviously Serbs from an anthropological and a cultural perspective, given that they're as Orthodox as regular Serbs, but from a phenotypical point of view, they tend to have more 'indigenous Balkan' types (Norids, Balkan Borrebies etc.) than Serbs, not saying that they don't have any Serbian influences in their genetics (the average Montenegrini's height, for one, is much taller than that of the average Albanian). I also think that their mentality is more similar to Albanians than to Serbs, which is from a genetic perspective rather than a cultural one.

You talk nonsense. They have south Serbian genetics, phenotypes you mention are northern influenced and present among all Serbs especially western. Mentality is specific to them only other ex Yu called them lazy.

[MagnusDark]

You talk nonsense.They have south Serbian genetics, phenotypes you mention are northern influenced and present among all Serbs especially western. Mentality is specific to them only other ex Yu called them lazy.

The truth is Montenegrins have some of the least YDNA shared with other Slavic countries. Idk if their clades in the paleo-balkan lines are shared with Albanians, but it at least demonstrated they, by paternal descent, have forefathers shared with Albanians. They have the same levels of R1a as Albania, and their I2a1b-Din is probably the only thing paternally speaking very much in common with Serbs. Some 28 percent or so if I am not mistaken. Maybe a bit more.

[Ford]

Arrogant Serbs with a strong regional identity. Crypto-Herzegovinians.

[Ayetooey]

The truth is Montenegrins have some of the least YDNA shared with other Slavic countries. Idk if their clades in the paleo-balkan lines are shared with Albanians, but it at least demonstrated they, by paternal descent, have forefathers shared with Albanians. They have the same levels of R1a as Albania, and their I2a1b-Din is probably the only thing paternally speaking very much in common with Serbs. Some 28 percent or so if I am not mistaken. Maybe a bit more.

Old Herzegovina Montenegrins are the same as other Serbs; Montenegrins from the Zeta region are quite northern by Y dna, project stats posted below. It's the Brda region which is close to Albos due to obvious mixing that happened, and huge founder effects in clans which had Albo/Vlach founders.

I2=45%
J2=19%
E=14%
R1a=11%
r1b=9%
G=2%
I1=1%

R1a is weak in all Dinaric Serbs tbh, not just Montenegrins. R1a is merely 8% in Dalmatian Serbs for example, but haplogroup I is a wopping 64%.

[Alenka]

Hillbilly Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Present day Montenegrins are divided on few groups. Montenegrins by nationality, who are anti-Serbian. Serbs with superiority complex towards the other Serbs. And Serbs without superiority complex. First and second group are motherfuckers, only third ones are normal people.
First group is actaully evolution of second group.

[MiloshN]

Sub here

[Pribislav]

Vast majority of tribes of Montenegro arrived to present day Montenegro from various regions outside of modern Montenegro in 15th century few decades before falling of Zeta under Ottomans (Zeta fell in 1496).
Only 2 or 3 Montenegrin tribes lived in present day Montenegro deep in the middle age for centuries before Ottomans.

[MagnusDark]

Old Herzegovina Montenegrins are the same as other Serbs; Montenegrins from the Zeta region are quite northern by Y dna, project stats posted below. It's the Brda region which is close to Albos due to obvious mixing that happened, and huge founder effects in clans which had Albo/Vlach founders.

I2=45%
J2=19%
E=14%
R1a=11%
r1b=9%
G=2%
I1=1%

R1a is weak in all Dinaric Serbs tbh, not just Montenegrins. R1a is merely 8% in Dalmatian Serbs for example, but haplogroup I is a wopping 64%.

I see. I was referring to a YDNA map posted by Pribislav some time ago. Perhaps that was just one part of Montenegro? in that one R1a was 7 percent and I2 around 30 or so.