Who are Montenegrins

[Pribislav]

Bay of Kotor became part of Montenegro in 1945 first time in history. In the middle age it was part of Serbian medieval state, later Venetians, Ottomans, Frenchs and Austrians ruled on Bay of Kotor. In 1918 after the colapse of Austro-Hungary Bay of Kotor joined to Kingdom of Serbia by own will. In 1945 communists gave Bay of Kotor to Montenegro.
After the centuries of desctruction of Serbian identity and Catholic proselitism by Catholic powers, montenegrization under the communists and new Montenegrin state since 2006 Bay of Kotor today have relative Serbian majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Kotor#Demographics

[Ayetooey]

I see. I was referring to a YDNA map posted by Pribislav some time ago. Perhaps that was just one part of Montenegro? in that one R1a was 7 percent and I2 around 30 or so.

I think that was the Zeta–Raška dialect statistics, which includes all of Brda. There's quite high regional differences for such a small country tbh.

E-V13 = 28%
I2a1b= 26,2%
R1b-M269 = 19,6%
R1a-Z282 = 12,1%
J2a-M410 = 5.6%
J2b-M102 = 4.9
G2 = 1.9%
I2-M223 = 1.9%
Q-Y2209 = 0.9%

[Chocolate_Hound]

Montenegrins I consider Serb by origin but they kind of drifted into their own thing, they speak a strange dialect and from what I've heard they consider themselves to have a unique identity. To me they are like Germans and Austrians.

[Varda]

This is interesting how one Montenegrin recently described Montenegrins (analiticki 12) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...#post-47369477

Translation.

Montenegro is specific, you will not find anywhere so many dark and striking women and men. We have that match.

Montenegro is only where exist Turkish influence and Italian in Bay of Kotor. And then we are Dinarics and Slavs.

We have mixture of those genes so we are uniquely beautiful.

We can be tall as Slavs Dinarics, and swarthy as Turks and have a mustache and we can also have blue eyes like the Latins.

Women too.

There is no many blondes here, they exist but i saw much more of them in Serbia, Croatia.

His statement that in Montenegro there are more dark and striking women and men than anywhere has no literal meaning, he thought more than anywhere in Serbian-Croatian speaking regions. Blue eyes as Latins is unclear, but it doesn't matter since he wanted to say that blue eyed people in Montenegro exist.

[Vožd]

This is interesting how one Montenegrin recently described Montenegrins (analiticki 12) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...#post-47369477

Nothing is true here...

Montenegro is only where exist Turkish influence and Italian in Bay of Kotor. And then we are Dinarics and Slavs.

Not even close. Mostar is perfect example of that.

We have mixture of those genes so we are uniquely beautiful.

No Italian and Turkish genetics in Montenegro...

We can be tall as Slavs Dinarics, and swarthy as Turks and have a mustache and we can also have blue eyes like the Latins.

Why swarthiness is always connected with Turks? Literally all southern Europeans are swarthy, and Montenegro is definitely south Europe.

[TheForeigner]

They are Serbs, but they were brainwashed by Yugoslav communists to think they are their own people, much like they did with Bulgarian Macedonians or like the Soviets did with Romanian Moldovans in "the republic" as we say.

[Varda]

Not even close. Mostar is perfect example of that.

There is nothing Italian/Venetian in Mostar. Mostar was never under the Venetians and in Ottoman empire was almost 400 years.

No Italian and Turkish genetics in Montenegro...

Not genetics, but there is cultural influence. Northern part of Montenegro was 500 years under the Ottomans and there are still mosques and Muslim population in some places there. On the other hand most of the Bay of Kotor was never under the Ottomans, and long period under the Venetians (1420-1797). Herceg Novi was equally under the Ottomans (1481-1687, except 1538-39) and Venetians (1687-1797). In Herceg Novi exist Kanli Kula built by Ottomans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanli_Kula), fortress Španjola built by Spaniards during their short rule 1538-39 (https://waytomonte.com/en/p-3396-for...anish-fortress), and Fortica or Forte Mare which at least got present day form in Venetian period (https://monteguide.com/forte-mare-fortress/).

Why swarthiness is always connected with Turks?

Montenegrin guy said that some Montenegrins looks Turkish. Of course there is no Turkish genes in Montenegro. Turkish like Montenegrins are Meds, not Turanids.

Literally all southern Europeans are swarthy, and Montenegro is definitely south Europe.

In Podgorica people are noticeable darker on average than in Belgrade.

They are Serbs, but they were brainwashed by Yugoslav communists to think they are their own people, much like they did with Bulgarian Macedonians or like the Soviets did with Romanian Moldovans in "the republic" as we say.

True.