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    Are you into fast fashion or into sustainable/slow fashion?

    Do you pay attention to the country of origin of your clothes, to the fabrics, to the quality?

    Personally, I pay carefully attention to that when I buy clothes. I favour clothes that are made locally, with natural fabrics, of quality, not toxic, such as organic cotton, viscose made in Europe like Lenzing (made in Austria), Tencel (eucalyptus fibres), silk, linen. I avoid clothes made with polyester, acetate, etc., that are responsible for a lot of pollution. And the culture of standard cotton needs far too much water, which is a problem. And the process of making viscose in Asia pollutes a lot. I avoid fast fashion brands such as H&M and Zara and certainly Shein, among others, also because their clothes are not produced ethically in a social point of view. It’s not for nothing that their clothes cost almost nothing.

    Have you been sensitized to these issues? What is your attitude towards that?
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    Lately, for the first time, a European (Belgian) fashion brand, Orta, established an all-European viscose production chain! Brands as powerful as Zara or H&M could have done that a long time ago, but they didn't. They're only interested in money, in profit, at any cost.

    Article in English concerning what Orta did:

    "If the COVID-19 pandemic had not happened, Brussels-based Marion Schoutteten and Gauthier Prouvost might have stayed content with the bases they had laid down for Orta, their affordable and responsibly produced contemporary line.

    Instead, the pair spent the past 18 months building a whole viscose production chain to create “100 percent European” garments, from fiber to finished product — and they aren’t planning on keeping it to themselves.

    [...] What he found was that even amid the profusion of stringent regulations and environmental norms in the European bloc, there wasn’t a textile equivalent to the “farm-to-table” approach within Europe for most materials.

    [...] Prouvost set about creating those fully European production chains. The first material he considered was viscose, a man-made textile derived from wood in a water-intensive, solvent-heavy process, often produced in China, Pakistan or India.

    [...]As of spring 2022, Orta now offers clothes made from sustainable fibers sourced through viscose producers Lenzing, in Austria, and Enka, in Germany; goes through printing specialists in Italy, and are made by factories in France and Portugal.

    The Belgian company has paid for a six-month exclusivity, but after that, it’s a free-for-all. In fact, that’s the best-case scenario as far as Schoutteten and Prouvost.

    “If anyone wants to use this production chain, I’m happy to give contacts. Because all things considered, [Orta is] still a speck in the fashion industry, but if other brands start to [follow this path], it could have a huge impact,” Prouvost said, already eyeing other materials like denim.

    https://wwd.com/sustainability/busin...oo-1235165268/

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    What are good brands to get for men's clothes, that are ethical and substantiable , Laly ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mopi View Post
    What are good brands to get for men's clothes, that are ethical and substantiable , Laly ?
    Dear Mopi, thank you for your question! Actually, there’s a French fashion blogger, Céline Seris, who developed an application, through which you can find, according to your criteria, sustainable and ethical fashion brands: https://www.iznowgood.com/generateur-de-marquiz/

    Thanks to this application, for ex., you can look for men's shoes made in Europe or for men's shirts made in organic cotton anywhere in the world… This data basis is regularly updated, but there aren’t all the sustainable and ethical brands on it.

    I will mention here below some fashion brands for men from which I like to buy clothes for my husband.

    Mr. Manchette: it’s a Flemish brand making clothes in organic cotton or in linen in Portugal. The linen comes from Belgium or Northern France. And the buttons are made with nuts! I love their flannel shirts for men, they are very sophisticated, with a lining.



    https://mrmanchette.be/collections/herenhemden?page=3

    I love also Portuguese brand Isto. Everything from this brand is made with all the necessary transparency! You can find everything to be dressed elegantly from that brand.







    https://isto.pt/collections/men

    There is also the brand Two Thirds (https://twothirds.com/collections/men)



    So yes, you won’t find T-shirts for 5-10 euros in sustainable, ethical fashion, you will have to be ready to pay around 40 euros for a T-shirt. But it’s worth!
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    In my view, the most impactful sustainability would be not buying any additional clothes unless you actually need them.
    And when you do need them, considering buying second-hand.

    "Fast" fashion:
    inexpensive clothing produced with pesticides by mass-market retailers who pay their workers shitty wages.

    "Sustainable" fashion:
    expensive clothing produced with pesticides by mass-market retailers who pay their worker shitty wages.

    Spoiler!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/13/w...aud-india.html
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    I only wear bowling shoes, if thats sustainable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laly View Post
    Dear Mopi, thank you for your question! Actually, there’s a French fashion blogger, Céline Seris, who developed an application, through which you can find, according to your criteria, sustainable and ethical fashion brands: https://www.iznowgood.com/generateur-de-marquiz/

    Thanks to this application, for ex., you can look for men's shoes made in Europe or for men's shirts made in organic cotton anywhere in the world… This data basis is regularly updated, but there aren’t all the sustainable and ethical brands on it.

    I will mention here below some fashion brands for men from which I like to buy clothes for my husband.

    Mr. Manchette: it’s a Flemish brand making clothes in organic cotton or in linen in Portugal. The linen comes from Belgium or Northern France. And the buttons are made with nuts! I love their flannel shirts for men, they are very sophisticated, with a lining.



    https://mrmanchette.be/collections/herenhemden?page=3

    I love also Portuguese brand Isto. Everything from this brand is made with all the necessary transparency! You can find everything to be dressed elegantly from that brand.







    https://isto.pt/collections/men

    There is also the brand Two Thirds (https://twothirds.com/collections/men)



    So yes, you won’t find T-shirts for 5-10 euros in sustainable, ethical fashion, you will have to be ready to pay around 40 euros for a T-shirt. But it’s worth!
    thanks for the link Laly.
    the clothes look really nice, I like them

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    I'm not much of a fashion guy, but I do know about outdoor gear.

    I like a outdoor company called Wiggy's. 100% USA materials and manufacture. They use only pure finish fabrics (No coatings, chemicals, fire retardants).

    Also, they use slightly heavier fabrics and also a special, synthetic insulation called continuous filament that is far more durable to compression, which important for the longevity of sleeping bags as they tend to get packed down in stuff sacks for backpacking/camping.

    The company uses Nylon fabrics and the insulation used is indeed manufactured from polyester fiber (as many know these materials are processed and derived from oil), however the products are made so durable via heavy duty stitching methods and heavy weight fabrics, that they are built to last a lifetime, even passed down to your kids.

    I feel like I'm writing commercial for the brand haha, actually I have critiques of his designs, I think they need improvement re: functionality. But my praise for the brand stands.

    No chemicals. And sustainable, in the sense that the products are built to last. These aspects are very appealing to me in my gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alenka View Post
    In my view, the most impactful sustainability would be not buying any additional clothes unless you actually need them.
    And when you do need them, considering buying second-hand.

    "Fast" fashion:
    inexpensive clothing produced with pesticides by mass-market retailers who pay their workers shitty wages.

    "Sustainable" fashion:
    expensive clothing produced with pesticides by mass-market retailers who pay their worker shitty wages.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/13/w...aud-india.html
    I don’t really agree.

    Of course, we have to rethink our consumption modes, to consume less and better.

    That being said, I can’t agree with the definitions you give of fast and sustainable fashion. There are many brands of sustainable and ethical fashion that really have positive approach, process, in a social or ecological point of view, in the third world, with workshops where the workers are paid correctly with secured infrastructure (ex. one of my favourite brands, the Ethiopian brand Lem Lem) or by locating the workshops in Europe, proceeding even sometimes in Europe from the very beginning of the chain (ex. the Belgian brand Orta, mentioned in a post above, with European viscose, with is totally ecological).

    Secondly, “organic” doesn’t mean “without pesticides” and I know very well about that, since we have an organic farm in which my husband grows strawberries. We are subjected to very strict rules and can’t use many products, many pesticides, but there are some, which are more natural, that we can use.

    Organic certifications for fabrics, for clothes, are quite new and it’s not perfect, but it goes in the good direction. Even in the article you quoted, it states that the frauds concerning organic cotton in India and other countries didn’t stay without consequences.

    Also, I disagree with your article, which says organic cotton is of lower quality:



    https://books.google.be/books?redir_...uality&f=false

    It’s a problem that organic cotton is less productive. So, it’s not without flaws, but if you consider cotton is too risky, you can always go for European viscose or linen, for ex., produced greatly in France and Belgium and which grows very easily, like self-propagating plants, not really requiring inputs. You can also, as you said, buy second-hand clothes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    I'm not much of a fashion guy, but I do know about outdoor gear.

    I like a outdoor company called Wiggy's. 100% USA materials and manufacture. They use only pure finish fabrics (No coatings, chemicals, fire retardants).

    Also, they use slightly heavier fabrics and also a special, synthetic insulation called continuous filament that is far more durable to compression, which important for the longevity of sleeping bags as they tend to get packed down in stuff sacks for backpacking/camping.

    The company uses Nylon fabrics and the insulation used is indeed manufactured from polyester fiber (as many know these materials are processed and derived from oil), however the products are made so durable via heavy duty stitching methods and heavy weight fabrics, that they are built to last a lifetime, even passed down to your kids.

    I feel like I'm writing commercial for the brand haha, actually I have critiques of his designs, I think they need improvement re: functionality. But my praise for the brand stands.

    No chemicals. And sustainable, in the sense that the products are built to last. These aspects are very appealing to me in my gear.
    Interesting! Thanks for sharing the information about this company that provides good products.

    Regarding polyester, the best is to use recycled polyester. I don't know about Wiggy's, but the outdoor company Patagonia uses recycled polyester:


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