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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    This was the reaction. And let's see what your foul hero Mussolini did to the local Slavs including children first:

    Rab concentration camp
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab_concentration_camp
    That still does not give them a right. The local Otalians were innocent, they did nothing wrong. That was Italian land for centuries, at least they should have been allowed to retain the ethnically Italian parts of Venezia Giulia and Dalmazia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italicus View Post
    That still does not give them a right. The local Otalians were innocent, they did nothing wrong. That was Italian land for centuries, at least they should have been allowed to retain the ethnically Italian parts of Venezia Giulia and Dalmazia.
    From the point of Mussolini or Hitler they probably had every right to expel. Put interests of your nation first, right?

    Btw, Italia still kept a lot of land populated by Slovenes (the land of Italian crimes) despite Italia lost the war.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    From the point of Mussolini or Hitler they probably had every right to expel. Put interests of your nation first, right?

    Btw, Italia still kept a lot of land populated by Slovenes (the land of Italian crimes) despite Italia lost the war.
    If you ask me, Italy should have only taken the ethnically Italian parts of the Austro-Hungarian Hungarian Empire. Trentino, Ladinia, Trieste, Gorizia, Western Istria, Lussinpiccolo and Zara should have been enough. Unfortunately, the Italian public and Mussolini got greedy, which always leads to downfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italicus View Post
    If you ask me, Italy should have only taken the ethnically Italian parts of the Austro-Hungarian Hungarian Empire. Trentino, Ladinia, Trieste, Western Istria, Lussinpiccolo and Zara should have been enough. Unfortunately, the Italian public and Mussolini got greedy, which always leads to downfall.
    If you say so. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with the detailed pre-war distribution of peoples in this region.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    If you say so. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with the detailed pre-war distribution of peoples in this region.
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    My late stepfathers family was affected by this. His grandmother had married Rudolf Sandner see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Sandner a die-hard national socialist from Reichenberg / Liberec with whom she had 3 children.
    My stepfathers mother, her younger sister and the youngest -a boy. Towards the end of WW2 the marriage shattered and my stepfathers grandmother tried to flee to her native Carinthia, but she and her preeschool aged children got captured and raped by Soviet soldiers. The boy didn't make it.
    My step grandmother always says that she cold't remember anything. Her alcoholism makes my doubt it, but who am I to judge. My step geat-grandmother later remarried and became a somewhat popular figure in Austrias right wing (well back then really) freedom party in the 60ies and 70ies.
    Her second daughter married an US soldier and still lives in Birmingham Alabama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    This was the reaction. And let's see what your foul hero Mussolini did to the local Slavs including children first:

    Rab concentration camp
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab_concentration_camp
    Local Slavs (Croats) did much worse to other local Slavs (Serbs) in that period, and Italians tried to defend Serbs in their ocupational zone.

    Expulsion of Italians from Istria and Zara is tragedy. And it was not done in name of communism, but in name of Croatian nationalism.

    Tito tried his best to increase percentage of Croats in Croatia, by expelling Italians and transfering Serbs from Croatia into Serban province of Vojvodina on places of expelled Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Local Slavs (Croats) did much worse to other local Slavs (Serbs) in that period, and Italians tried to defend Serbs in their ocupational zone.

    Expulsion od Italians from Istria and Zara is tragedy. And it was not done in name of communism, but in name of Croatian nationalism.

    Tito tried his best to increase percentage of Croats in Croatia, by expelling Italians and transfering Serbs from Croatia into Serban province of Vojvodina on places of expelled Germans.
    That may all be so, but I meant Italian crimes not only in these places but in more western parts too. I remember I read that there were massive repressions against Slovens, just I don't have that document at the moment.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Local Slavs (Croats) did much worse to other local Slavs (Serbs) in that period, and Italians tried to defend Serbs in their ocupational zone.

    Expulsion od Italians from Istria and Zara is tragedy. And it was not done in name of communism, but in name of Croatian nationalism.

    Tito tried his best to increase percentage of Croats in Croatia, by expelling Italians and transfering Serbs from Croatia into Serban province of Vojvodina on places of expelled Germans.
    The Italians were much more humane than the Ustasa, that's for sure. Unfortunately the Partisans had to kick us out, when we did not really do anything wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italicus View Post
    The Italians were much more humane than the Ustasa, that's for sure. Unfortunately the Partisans had to kick us out, when we did not really do anything wrong.
    Indeed, this is very humane approach:

    In September 1920, Benito Mussolini stated:

    When dealing with such a race as Slavic—inferior and barbarian—we must not pursue the carrot, but the stick policy. ... We should not be afraid of new victims. ... The Italian border should run across the Brenner Pass, Monte Nevoso and the Dinaric Alps. ... I would say we can easily sacrifice 500,000 barbaric Slavs for 50,000 Italians.
    — Benito Mussolini, speech held in Pula, 20 September 1920

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...ism_and_racism

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