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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Indeed, this is very humane approach:

    In September 1920, Benito Mussolini stated:

    When dealing with such a race as Slavic—inferior and barbarian—we must not pursue the carrot, but the stick policy. ... We should not be afraid of new victims. ... The Italian border should run across the Brenner Pass, Monte Nevoso and the Dinaric Alps. ... I would say we can easily sacrifice 500,000 barbaric Slavs for 50,000 Italians.
    — Benito Mussolini, speech held in Pula, 20 September 1920

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...ism_and_racism
    I don't support that. I think Italy should have only taken ethnically Italian areas, nothing more, nothing less. The vast, vast majority of Italian soldiers had nothing against Slavs. They were not racist Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italicus View Post
    The Italians were much more humane than the Ustasa, that's for sure. Unfortunately the Partisans had to kick us out, when we did not really do anything wrong.
    Italians recorded ustaša crimes against Serbian women.



    Under photos written in Italian: Donne Serbe di Divoselo, di religione ortodoxa, ferite dagli ustascia e icoverate nell ospedale da campo n 823 in Otocac

    English translation: Serbian women from Divoselo, of Orthodox religion, wounded by the Ustashas and hospitalized in the field hospital no.823 in Otočac





    Italian doctor resquing Serbian child wounded by ustaša, in hospital in Obrovac.

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    Italians collaborated with Serbian fascist units that operated in northern Dalmatia and had genocidal plans for greater Serbia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinara_Division

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetni...n_World_War_II

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Italians collaborated with Serbian fascist units that operated in northern Dalmatia and had genocidal plans for greater Serbia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinara_Division

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetni...n_World_War_II
    This is not a pissing contest. I only wanted that Italy took Italian land after Versailles and not have lost it, that's it. Istria, Zara and Fiume should have remained Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italicus View Post
    This is not a pissing contest. I only wanted that Italy took Italian land after Versailles and not have lost it, that's it. Istria, Zara and Fiume should have remained Italian.
    No. Cities that became Italian majority in 19th century should not. Otherwise you can cede Lampedusa to MENA refugees since they are now majority there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
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    There were abt. 3.5 million Germans, living in overwhelmingly pure German areas. Denmark had abt. 4 million inhabitants in 1945.

    If the Czechoslovakia that was founded in 1918 would have been called after it's two biggest people it would have had to be called "Czecho-Germany". Because there were more Germans that Slovaks even:

    "The new country was a multi-ethnic state, with Czechs and Slovaks as constituent peoples. The population consisted of Czechs (51%), Slovaks (16%), Germans (22%), Hungarians (5%) and Rusyns (4%).[18]"
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    Quote Originally Posted by noricum View Post
    My late stepfathers family was affected by this. His grandmother had married Rudolf Sandner see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Sandner a die-hard national socialist from Reichenberg / Liberec with whom she had 3 children.
    My stepfathers mother, her younger sister and the youngest -a boy. Towards the end of WW2 the marriage shattered and my stepfathers grandmother tried to flee to her native Carinthia, but she and her preeschool aged children got captured and raped by Soviet soldiers. The boy didn't make it.
    My step grandmother always says that she cold't remember anything. Her alcoholism makes my doubt it, but who am I to judge. My step geat-grandmother later remarried and became a somewhat popular figure in Austrias right wing (well back then really) freedom party in the 60ies and 70ies.
    Her second daughter married an US soldier and still lives in Birmingham Alabama.


    monstrous....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Another example how demonocratic America saved fascism:
    In May 1945, Đujić surrendered the Dinara division to Allied forces. Its members were then taken to southern Italy. From there, they were taken to displaced persons camps in Germany and then dispersed. After staying in Paris from 1947 to 1949, Đujić emigrated to the United States,[20] where many members of the Dinara division are believed to have followed him. Other members of the division emigrated to Canada and settled there.[21] Đujić lived in the United States until his death in San Diego, California in September 1999.[20]
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    No. Cities that became Italian majority in 19th century should not. Otherwise you can cede Lampedusa to MENA refugees since they are now majority there.
    It wasn't only some migration, the local population adopted Italian culture and language. They willingly became Italian and sought to become a part of Italy after WW1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italicus View Post
    It wasn't only some migration, the local population adopted Italian culture and language. They willingly became Italian and sought to become a part of Italy after WW1.
    Yeah yeah....you should rather focus on Corsica where real Italians lived. But France was too strong to bully I guess.

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