Falsification of Kosovo's history

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This is some serious falsification of history and a version that has become famous regarding the events of Kosovo in 1689-90 and Austrian-Ottoman wars or also known as 'Great Turkish Wars' entire wikipedia section on it.

This theory was first spread by the Serbian writer Dusan Batakovic in the 19th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...s_of_the_Serbs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III_Crnojević

They claim the Serbs led a revolt against the Ottoman Empire in Kosovo in 1689 under Arsenije Crnojevic, a Serb from Montenegro, and then they were pushed out from Kosovo and replaced by Albanians but in reality the revolt agains the Ottoman Empire was led by Albanians from Kosovo.



In reality this was an Albanian revolt led by the Albanian Catholics Toma Raspasani and Albanian Pjeter Bogdani from Prizren, Kosovo but they changed them into the Serbian Arsenije Crnojevic and they changed all the Albanians who fought on the Austrian against Ottomans into Serbs in their version of history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toma_Raspasani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pjetër_Bogdani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Turkish_War

He contributed a force of 6,000 Albanian soldiers to the Austrian army which had arrived in Pristina and accompanied it to capture Prizren. There, however, he and much of his army were met by another equally formidable adversary, the plague. Bogdani returned to Pristina but succumbed to the disease there in 6 December 1689

Organizing pro-Austrian Albanian rebels in Kosovo during Great Turkish War

Among the papers of Ludwig von Baden in Karlsruhe, there is a copy of an intercepted letter, in French, written by a secretary of the English Embassy in Istanbul on 19 January 1690; it reports that the 'Germans' in Kosovo have made contact with 20,000 Albanians ["Albanois"] who have turned their weapons against the Turks.

In their version they claim these 20,000 Albanians were Serbs led by the Serbian patriarch Arsenije.


Here Noel Malcolm in his new book explains all the different versions regarding these events and he shows their version is completely false: Rebels, Believers, Survivors: Studies in the History of the Albanians


From chapter ''History'' , he first tells the fabricated versions then the real versions.

They basically claim this was a Serb organized revolt in 1689 against Ottomans in Kosovo when it was actually Albanians.

Kosovo Albanian Roman Catholic Bishop and philosopher Pjetër Bogdani returned to the Balkans in March 1686 and spent the next years promoting resistance to the armies of the Ottoman Empire, in particular in his native Kosovo. He and his vicar Toma Raspasani played a leading role in the pro-Austrian movement in Kosovo during the Great Turkish War.[9] He contributed a force of 6,000 Albanian soldiers to the Austrian army which had arrived in Pristina and accompanied it to capture Prizren. There, however, he and much of his army were met by another equally formidable adversary, the plague. Bogdani returned to Pristina but succumbed to the disease there in 6 December 1689.[10] His nephew, Gjergj Bogdani, reported in 1698 that his uncle's remains were later exhumed by Turkish and Tatar soldiers and fed to the dogs in the middle of the square in Pristina.

Then they claim they were pushed out and replaced by Albanians from Northern Albania when actually the revolt was led by Albanians, the region had a large Albanian population and people from Northern Albania also supported the Austrians and most of the Serb refugees that settled Hungary came from the Belgrade area and not Kosovo.


Arsenije Crnojevic which they claim led a resistance against Ottomans in Kosovo never did he was in Montenegro and then went to Belgrade nor do any Austrian texts from that time name him during the revolt. It was the Albanian Pjeter Bogdani and all the historical archives support this. And most of the people who joined the Austrians against Ottomans were in fact Albanians but they claim they were Serbs.

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The Colonel, who was already hated by the Albanians, had recently executed one of their men for a minor offence. Against the advice of the other officers, he now sent his corps of 2,800 men out to do battle with a Turkish force of 12,000 men on an open plain without any further support. He then insulted one of the Albanians who had pointed out the senselessness of this operation, engaged in a verbal dispute with him and then shot him in the arm with his pistol. The enraged Albanians therefore abandoned him during the battle and went over to the Turkish side.

An interesting fact emerges from these historical events – that in 1689 Dardania had a plentiful and warrior Albanian population, because it is highly unlikely in my view that the Albanians mentioned here came over from Albania itself to join Imperial forces. The question as to whether these Albanians were Christians or Muslims is not answered in the above-mentioned work. An edition of source material about the Dardanian campaign of Imperial troops would provide a substantial contribution to our knowledge of this region and its inhabitants and would also be of great interest for our military history because names like Starhemberg and Veterani appear in it. No one would be better suited for this than the biographer of the former.

Johann Georg Von Hahn - Travels in Dardanian Albania

The reputation of this commander grew more and more because of his orderliness such that 5,000 Arnauts [Muslim Albanians] in Pristina [Prishtina] who had risen against the Turks and [the inhabitants of] many of the major towns in the vicinity had given to understand that they would submit to the rule of the Emperor.

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The seventeenth-century Ottoman notable arid author Evliya Çelebi, who wrote a massive account of his travels around the empire and abroad, included in it details of local society that normally would not appear in official correspondence; for this reason, his account of a visit to several towns in Kosovo in 1660 is extremely valuable. Evliya confirms that western and at least parts of central Kosovo were ‘Arnavud’. He notes that the town of Vučitrn had few speakers of ‘Boşnakca’; its inhabitants spoke Albanian or Turkish. He terms the highlands around Tetovo (in Macedonia), Peć, and Prizren the ‘mountains of Arnavudluk’. Elsewhere, he states that ‘the mountains of Peć’ lay in Arnavudluk, from which issued one of the rivers converging at Mitrovica, just north-west of which he sites Kosovo’s border with Bosna. This river, the Ibar, flows from a source in the mountains of Montenegro north-north-west of Peć, in the region of Rozaje to which the Këlmendi would later be moved. He names the other river running by Mitrovica as the Kılab and says that it, too, had its source in Aravudluk; by this, he apparently meant the Lab, which today is the name of the river descending from mountains north—east of Mitrovica to join the Sitnica north of Priština. As Evliya travelled south, he appears to have named the entire stretch of river he was following the Kılab, not noting the change of name when he took the right fork at the confluence of the Lab and Sitnica. Thus, Evliya states that the tomb of Murad I, killed in the battle of Kosovo Polje, stood beside the Kılab, although it stands near the Sitnica outside Priština. Despite the confusion of names, Evliya included in Arnavudluk not only the western fringe of Kosovo, but also the central mountains from which the Sitnica (‘Kılab’) and its first tributaries descend

One early account states that in Prishtina 5,000 Arnauts, having thrown off the Turks and many leaders of the surrounding places ... swore fealty to the Emperor.



Count Veterani, the commander of the Austrian campaign in this part of the Balkans in 1690, wrote in his memoirs of 20,000 Arnauts reduced to loyal obedience to the Emperor Piccolomini



An anonymous history of the war, written in Italian (and surviving in manuscript in two forms: the full Italian text in the French Foreign Ministry archives, and an extract in German translation, entitled 'Annotationes und Reflexiones, in the Kriegsarchiv in Vienna), refers to more than 20,000 Rascians or Albanians. Some other early texts by writers who apparently had acces to original dispatches and documents specify Albanians: for example Franz Wagner, in his history of the region of Leopold I, used the words 'Arnautae' and 'Epirotae' - the latter being a term normally used to distinguish the Albanian language (and its speakers) from the Slav, ''Illyrian'', one.



And one of Piccolominis own officers, Colonel von Strasser, reported to Ludwig von Baden that Piccolomini had gone to Prizren in order to treat with 'The Albanians, Arnauts, and others (mit den Albanesernen, Arnauten und anderen')



Among the papers of Ludwig von Baden in Karlsruhe, there is a copy of an intercepted letter, in French, written by a secretary of the English Embassy in Istanbul on 19 January 1690: it reports that the 'Germans' in Kosovo have made contact with 20,000 Albanians who have turned their weapons against the Turks.



Most of this evidence points then towards the conclusion that the bulk of the people who rallied to Piccolomini in Prizren - both the 5,000 who came to the town to greet him, and the others who made up the total of 20,000 - were, by our modern criteria, Albanian

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I wonder if someone read it at all?

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This is from a German archive:

“Notes and Reflections on the Glorious Arms of Imperial Forces in 1689” is an anonymous German-language manuscript preserved at the Military Archives (Kriegsarchiv) in Vienna, Austria, which is itself the translation of a longer work in Italian entitled “Origine della guerra fra l’Imperatore dei Christiani, e quello de Turchi l’anno 1682”. It focuses, among other things, on the Imperial Austrian offensive against Ottoman forces in Kosovo, Macedonia and northern Albania during the Great Turkish War of 1683-1699. The manuscript is of particular Albanian interest as it describes the organised presence of the Albanians and their military forces in seventeenth-century Kosovo. Also of interest is the reference to the Albanian archbishop Pjetër Bogdani and his death in Prizren. The Albanians are mentioned in this manuscript as Albanese and Arnauts, the former term referring no doubt more to Catholics and later more to Muslims, and the Serbs are referred to as Rascians. Manuscript folio numbers and modern place names, where found, have been added here in square brackets for the convenience of the reader.

Kosovo in the great Turkish war


The revolt in Kosovo was led by Albanians in 1689 and the Albanian Catholic Pjeter Bogdani , any historian who read these archives can tell you that. There are many more texts. Yet they claim they were all Serbs and that there were no Albanians there. Their version has become famous and I see this everywhere in the media.


But their own writers changed them all entirely into Serbs and claim after that hundreds of thousands of Serbs departed and were replaced by Albanians but it's nonsense

This essay examines both the historical facts concerning the migration of Serbs from Kosovo in 1690, and the claims made about that migration by subsequent historians—claims which, at their most extreme, suggested that hundreds of thousands of Serbs departed, with huge effects on the ethnic composition of the region. This essay demonstrates that there was no large-scale organized exodus of Serbs under the Serbian Orthodox Patriarch, Arsenije Crnojević: his departure from Kosovo in early 1690 was extremely hasty, and he had not, in any case, been leading organized resistance to the Ottomans. A large number of Serbs did move with the Patriarch to Hungarian territory later in that year; he himself gave their numbers as 30,000 or 40,000. But they had gathered, from many areas, in the Belgrade region, and only a small proportion were from Kosovo itself. One unsupported claim was made many years later, by a Serbian monk, that the Patriarch had brought 37,000 families to Hungary; and in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries many Serb writers interpreted that figure maximally, while also assuming that all those people had come from Kosovo. This essay analyses the ideological influences (operating primarily on Serbs within the Habsburg territories in the nineteenth century) that helped to shape that interpretation; it also criticizes excessive claims made by modern Albanian and Turkish historians

https://academic.oup.com/book/37426/...dFrom=fulltext



It's completely rubbish. All a bunch of false history. But in their version they changed them all into Serbs and it has become a nationalistic myth and strong belief among them when this was actually Albanians.

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What you're trying to poof?

No one read your text, but its funny your efforts

I've one reply only:

Kosovo is Serbia

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I wonder if someone read all these texts at all?

Maybe you don't understand what I am saying dude but they are claiming they led a resistance against Ottomans in 1689 in Kosovo and then were pushed out by the Ottomans and replaced by Albanians, and they were led by Arsenije Crnojevic to Hungary, this is also known as 'The Great Migration of Serbs 1690' but all the texts from these events in archives across different countries show that this was actually Albanians in Kosovo, most of the people who joined the Austrians against Ottomans were Albanians and Kosovo had a large Albanian population but they changed them into Serbs and claim there were no Albanians there.

These Albanians led the resistance and they brought 20,000 Albanians and 6,000 to the Austrians and not the Serbian Patriarch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toma_Raspasani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pjetër_Bogdani

There is no mention of the Serbian Patriarch in any of the archives only these Albanians. But they changed it.


And they changed all the 20,000 Albanian soldiers into Serbs and they actually believe that this is real history and claim it as theirs.

But it's completely false history. It's Albanian history. But it has become a nationalistic thing among them which makes it even more funny.



You can just read and find texts from Kosovo Austrian-Ottoman wars in 1689-90 and see for yourself dude, it's false history.


Any historian who has read these archives know it was Albanians but they changed them into Serbs

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