Putin establishes Mother Heroine title in Russia

[KirillMazur]

The only what I need from state is maintaining order in and out if state, I don't need a mommy state for me. I'm for less everyday control which is definitely less in Russia than anywhere else in first world + less taxation, less bureaucracy and less ideology. I don't need iron curtains separating us from west, I'm totally pro parallel import, who wants to drink cola let him drink cola, who needs new iphone let him have it, who needs new Lexus or infiniti let him buy and drive it, for money. Let people do what they want. I totally support copyright violation towards western companies. I dunno about the others here, but I never dreamt of special operation turning us in some ideological state where people march singing songs to the Chief. Make capitalism healthy again. In the Russian way.

Russia cannot be part of the Western capitalist system and at the same time occupy a privileged position in it. Russia's place in this system (created not by us and not in our interests) was determined long ago - a supplier of cheap resources for someone else's beautiful life.
If you build your capitalism (in isolation from the West), then our young and inexperienced capitalism will in any case be swallowed up by the Western, old, rich and experienced.
Socialism (in fact, a viable hybrid of socialism with market elements and a mixed economy + a large proportion of cooperatives) or barbarism! And of course, taking into account the negative experience of the late USSR, including its excessive and senseless ideologization and depreciation of the initiative.
And yes, democracy (narodovlastie) is possible only with a constant increase in the cultural and educational level of the majority, and not with privileged minorities (often based on nationality), as it is now.

[Loki]

A "great" strategy of Vladimir that stinks treason.

Come on man, you can't seriously blame Putin for that. He's trying his best, but he's only human. And he's already taking the blame for everything that's going wrong in Russia. This is extremely unfair cynicism.

Yes. And maybe this million is mostly aimed at the families of migrants owning Russian passports which is more realistic.

Again, a baseless accusation of extreme cynicism.

[Loki]

Those lands of Ukraine which are already under control of Russia have ~17.1 trillions worth $ minerals and other resources.

Indeed. Even if Russia takes no more land from Ukraine, but just consolidates/integrates the south and east what they now hold, it's a huge win and victory for Russia in the long term. Those are the best lands of the Ukrainian state.

[rothaer]

(...) Russia's place in this system (created not by us and not in our interests) was determined long ago - a supplier of cheap resources for someone else's beautiful life.(...)

In whatever free cooperation with Russia this will likely be the main part. The explanation is simple and no particular evil or unjust "system". Since at least over 500 years Russia has hardly any refined products that are interesting for export. Already in the Hanseatic period Russia's export was essentially raw materials like honey and furs (at that time). I'd welcome Russia exporting refined products as well, but it all depends on what Russia is producing and offering. And this is 100% up to Russia what it produces. Nobody would prevent Russia from doing what China does. Actually, being a Russian, I'd very much have a look for wtf China as another former commnunist country does with success. However, as for today, what Russian refined products could at all be competitive on the world market? I'd say some weapons and space technology. Maybe also software could be competitive.

But I wouldn't complain being "a supplier of cheap resources for someone else's beautiful life". A lot of countries would like to be if they could and I also don't think that Putin has anything against it. Also Norway does and is happy with this natural gift from "heaven". And be happy that the purchasers do have a "beautiful life", because this is what makes a payment possible. If you deliver all gas to poor Bangladeshians, they will not be able to reward this with good money.

[Rumata]

Come on man, you can't seriously blame Putin for that. He's trying his best, but he's only human. And he's already taking the blame for everything that's going wrong in Russia. This is extremely unfair cynicism.

Again, a baseless accusation of extreme cynicism.

Sure, let's blame Marat Khusnullin the vice premier minister instead. Isn't it Marat Khusnullin who is considered the authoritarian leader of RF?

At least another 5 million labor migrants need to be attracted to Russia by 2024. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin at a meeting with regional leaders on achieving national goals in the field of housing construction.
https://rg.ru/2021/06/24/rossii-potr...llsdp462740088

It's like in that Russian saying where the tsar is always good just his boyars are bad.

[KirillMazur]

In whatever free cooperation with Russia this will likely be the main part. The explanation is simple and no particular "system". Since at least over 500 years Russia has hardly any refined products that are interesting for export. Already in the Hanseatic period Russia's export was essentially raw materials like honey and furs (at that time). I'd be fine with Russia exporting refined products as well, but it all depends on what Russia is producing and offering. And this is 100% up to Russia what it produces. Nobody would prevent Russia from doing what China does. Actually, being a Russian, I'd very much have a look for wtf China as another former commnunist country does with success. However, as for today, what Russian refined products could at all be competitive on the world market? I'd say some weapons and space technology. Maybe also software could be competitive.

But I wouldn't complain being "a supplier of cheap resources for someone else's beautiful life". A lot of countries would like to be if they could and I also don't think that Putin has anything against it. Also Norway does and is happy with this natural gift from "heaven". And be happy that the purchasers do have a "beautiful life", because this is what makes a payment possible. If you deliver all gas to poor Bangladeshis, they will not be able to reward this with good money.

Our potential for import substitution and our development based on import substitution is limited by the size of the market we control. And it makes those 2-3% of the world. Alas, that is exactly what it is. And the “free market” (having specific names and surnames) will not allow us to take a share in the already divided market shares with the help of fair competition.

In addition, our unit costs per unit of the same type of manufactured product will ALWAYS be higher than those of competitors. For completely objective and fundamentally unavoidable reasons.

But markets can be controlled in many ways. It is necessary to apply the method of control that will outweigh financial control.

As an example - British trade with its colonies. A market created by no means market methods.
For example, now we are gradually realizing that we no longer want to sell resources cheaply. We reduced the supply by 10%, and the gas price doubled.

[JamesBond007]

Putin is not a dictator, though. But if you mean a strong, popular leader who the people respect, then yes.

He is not a dictator per se but he is technically autocratic *ducks* *don't ban me*

[Loki]

He is not a dictator per se but he is technically autocratic *ducks* *don't ban me*

In what way? Can you be more specific?

[Loki]

Sure, let's blame Marat Khusnullin the vice premier minister instead. Isn't it Marat Khusnullin who is considered the authoritarian leader of RF?



It's like in that Russian saying where the tsar is always good just his boyars are bad.

I don't know all the details of what's going on in Russia. And of course Putin isn't 100% perfect, nobody is.

So where do they want to get these labor migrants from? Someone has to do the job, and labor shortage is no laughing matter if you want to sustain economic growth. The fact that Russian families don't have enough babies isn't Putin's fault, obviously. Natural increase has improved in recent years.

In some regions with population increase in Russia, the increase is driven by ethnic Russians.

[KirillMazur]

I do not believe that birthrates in Russia (or in other developed countries) are low because the standard of living is not high enough. If birth rate depended on standard of living then Japan, South Korea, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden etc. would all have high birth rates. Modern White / East Asian people simply do not have the mind for having children. They want to be free, independent, want to travel, want to have dogs/cats or other pets, play computer games, watch netflix, go to parties etc etc. They are simply not family oriented but individualists. Contraception is a thing too. If contraception methods had been invented earlier, birth rates would have fallen below replacement levels earlier. The only way to raise to birth rates of East Asian/White societies to replacement level or above is by banning contraception and abortion.

Wars were much more common in the past, people still had lots of children. I do not believe that it's worse to live in 2022 than in 1932, 1850 or 1650. People just overthink stuff, imo.

It's simple - children are a very expensive pleasure in a modern city. This is a burden, if you want, at least up to 18 years old, and not an assistant, as before. You do not want your child to be worse than others, do you? Plus expanding living space is very expensive, too. People are accustomed to the city and will not go to live in the countryside voluntarily.
My wife and I are planning a second child, but this is not possible without lowering our current standard of living.
The city is such a big bioreactor for interrupting families.
Where it is still cheap to live and where people are still a community, not scattered individuals, there are no problems with reproduction.