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    Default Hungarians =/= Slovaks.

    I hear people keep repeating wrong stuff how Slovaks and Hungarians are genetically closest pops and almost identical.
    Not alt all. Slovaks are notably more Slavic and north-eastern. Hungarians are lot more southern and also more German influenced.

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    Distance to: Slovak

    5.08383713 Czech
    6.71965029 Polish
    6.81083695 Ukrainian
    6.90623631 Slovenian
    8.42762125 Hungarian
    9.33990899 Croatian
    11.29375048 Bosnian
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    14.97101199 Serb
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    17.14647777 Montenegrin
    17.57236751 Erzya
    18.30587884 Romanian
    19.75912447 Latvian
    20.26879621 Afrikaner
    20.39465371 Bulgarian
    20.71233449 Lithuanian
    21.15345598 Danish
    21.51252426 Moldovan
    21.88988351 Norwegian
    22.06642019 Flemish
    22.06784992 Dutch
    22.08432702 Swedish

    Distance to: Hungarian

    4.16114167 Slovenian
    4.40271507 Croatian
    6.51865017 Bosnian
    7.90129103 Czech
    8.42762125 Slovak
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    16.25195681 Swiss_German
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    . Slovaks are notably more Slavic and north-eastern. Hungarians are lot more southern and also more German influenced.
    That was my understanding as well.

    How are Czechs and Hungarians in comparison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulu View Post
    That was my understanding as well.

    How are Czechs and Hungarians in comparison?
    Seems Czechs and lil bit closer to Hungarians than Slovaks are (because Czechs are more western and less Slav) But both are similar. Czechs and Slovaks are closest pops to each other.

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    Distance to: Hungarian_North
    2.06995169 Croat_Northwest
    2.61688746 Slovene
    2.75896720 Croat_Central
    2.94684577 Slovak
    3.16096504 Hungarian_Alföld
    3.22487209 Austrian_Carinthia
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    3.44132242 Croat_GorskiKotar
    4.00027499 Czech
    4.16373630 Lemko_Poland
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    4.87201190 Croat_Kvarner
    5.62699742 German_Lower_Silesia
    5.79048357 Croat_Lika
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    6.94519978 Bosniak_Krajina_East
    7.13948878 Romanian_Moldavia_North
    7.47293115 Romanian_Ukraine
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    Even Hungarians from the Northern part of the coutry seem to be closer NW Croats and Slovenes, but they are still closer to Slovaks than other Hungarian regions.

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    Interesting, because the Slovaks lived in one country with the Hungarians for hundreds of years.

    Before the dissulution of Czechoslovakia Slovakia never existed, just were part of the historical Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

    Why the Slovaks further to us? What is the main reason of that?
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    It is interesting that in 23andme many Hungarians get Poland/Polish regions instead
    of Slovenia/Croatia.

    The G25 Hungarian result may suggest would be more likely Huns will get Slovenia/Croat in 23andMe but i see lot of Huns getting Poland and Hungary (me included).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    It is interesting that in 23andme many Hungarians get Poland/Polish regions instead
    of Slovenia/Croatia.

    The G25 Hungarian result may suggest would be more likely Huns will get Slovenia/Croat in 23andMe but i see lot of Huns getting Poland and Hungary (me included).
    I have almost twice as many Polish relative matches as Hungarian matches. It would be interesting to figure out what this phenomenon is?
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    Hungarians and Slovaks are very, very different folks. Even their farts smell different!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    It is interesting that in 23andme many Hungarians get Poland/Polish regions instead
    of Slovenia/Croatia.

    The G25 Hungarian result may suggest would be more likely Huns will get Slovenia/Croat in 23andMe but i see lot of Huns getting Poland and Hungary (me included).
    Not necessarily.

    Being autosomaly close does not mean these people mixed. I don't know any Hungarian with Slovenian ancestry and it must be really rare.
    On the other hand tons of Hungarians have Slovak ancestry.

    Hungarians just share similar mix as Slovenes, but that's pretty much it. These two people didn't really interact in history except in fringe region of far eastern Slovenia (Prekmurje).
    With Croats there was mixing, but similarity with northern Croats is older than that and comes from similar Pannonian Slav heritage.

    Poland is interesting case. I do know Hungarians with some Polish ancestry irl though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    It is interesting that in 23andme many Hungarians get Poland/Polish regions instead
    of Slovenia/Croatia.

    The G25 Hungarian result may suggest would be more likely Huns will get Slovenia/Croat in 23andMe but i see lot of Huns getting Poland and Hungary (me included).
    Those regions shouldn't be taken too literally from what I've seen...
    I think it's not unusual for Slovenes and North Croats to also get regions in Poland, and even in Russia.
    My father got Polish regions, and my mother got Polish and Russian regions.
    Despite not having any known ancestry from either.
    Most Hungarians are likely a similar case.

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