Should the "Madonna-whore complex" be really called the "victim-whore complex"?

[Tooting Carmen]

We often hear about the "Madonna-whore complex", that women are romanticised by men as being either virginal and innocent or very sexual. In the modern day, however, I think it would be more accurate to talk about the "victim-whore complex". Whereas very sexual women are demonised by social and religious conservatives as "whores", most of modern feminism and progressive thought more generally regards them as "victims", usually of a real or imaginary "patriarchy".

[JamesBond007]

Feminism: A Jewish Adversary Movement Against Gentile Culture

Here is a list of some of the Jewish founders and leaders of the modern feminist revolution. Keep in mind that this list is by no means complete--these women are simply the more well-known within the feminist movement; thousands of lesser-known Jewish women lead local and obscure feminist groups1:

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-Gloria Steinem founder, Ms. Magazine.

-Bella Abzug; Civil rights and labor attorney elected to Congress (House of Rep.) from New York City; served 1971-1977.

-Betty Friedan ; feminist leader and author of the book "The Feminine Mystique" (1963).

-Shulamith Firestone ; Canadian feminist. Wrote "The Dialectic of Sex" (1970).

-Andrea Dworkin ; radical; apparent lesbian. Author of the book "Intercourse" (1987).

-Susan Brownmiller ; U.S. feminist. Wrote the book "Against Our Will" (1975).

-Susan Faludi; author of the book "Backlash" (1992).

-Naomi Wolf ; advisor to Al Gore in the 2000 U.S. presidential election.

-Emma Goldman ; early U.S. feminist.

-Ernestine Rose; b. in Poland; early feminist.

-Phyllis Chesler ; U.S. feminist; author of the book "Woman's Inhumanity to Woman" (2002).

-Judy Chicago (Cohen); U.S. feminist. Author of the book "The Dinner Party" (1996).

-Robin Morgan ; U.S. feminist. Former editor-in-chief, Ms. magazine.

-Letty Cottin Pogrebin;; U.S. feminist; co-founded Ms. magazine.

-Gerda Lerner ; b. in Austria.

-Annie Nathan Meyer ; U.S. feminist.

-Maud Nathan ; sister of Annie Nathan Meyer; U.S. feminist.

-Geri Palast ; chair, Committee on Women in the Global Economy; U.S. feminist.

-Rose Schneiderman ; b. in Poland.

-Anita Pollitzer ; U.S. feminist; pal of artist Georgia O'Keeffe.

-Gene Boyer (no birthyear available); a founder of N.O.W.; president of Jewish Feminists; U.S. feminist.

-Lucy Komisar ; author of the book "The New Feminism" (1971); U.S. feminist.

-Karen Nussbaum ; (apparently Jewish); leader of 9to5-National Association of Working Women.

-Eleanor Flexner ; (apparently Jewish--relative is a Zionist); U.S. feminist.

-Riane Eisler ; b. Vienna; author/feminist; (apparently Jewish--fled Nazis). Author of the book "The Chalice and the Blade" (1987).

Notes

1. sources include Jewish author Dr. Joshua Halberstam's book "Schmoozing," 1997, Perigee; also web searches, and the author's personal files and notes.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. There are consequences to society when they fail as gatekeepers. The social and religious conservatives - whether they're aware of it or not - are using social pressure to keep order, which is what conservatives are all about: order. I don't think I need to explain the issues that will arise when women sleep around.

[Andullero]

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. There are consequences to society when they fail as gatekeepers. The social and religious conservatives - whether they're aware of it or not - are using social pressure to keep order, which is what conservatives are all about: order. I don't think I need to explain the issues that will arise when women sleep around.

Bastardy runs amok, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Benyzero]

I don't have a problem if a woman is openly promiscous, but then don't try to mask a good girl because of societies pressure, or come with the victim card when someone judging you.

[JamesBond007]

I don't have a problem if a woman is openly promiscous, but then don't try to mask a good girl because of societies pressure, or come with the victim card when someone judging you.

Sluts have a role to play in society but in the long run they are anti-civilization. So, there in lies the rub dear brut.

[Teutone]

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. There are consequences to society when they fail as gatekeepers. The social and religious conservatives - whether they're aware of it or not - are using social pressure to keep order, which is what conservatives are all about: order. I don't think I need to explain the issues that will arise when women sleep around.

Impressive Frank, I agree with you on social issues for once.

[tipirneni]

Feminism: A Jewish Adversary Movement Against Gentile Culture

Here is a list of some of the Jewish founders and leaders of the modern feminist revolution. Keep in mind that this list is by no means complete--these women are simply the more well-known within the feminist movement; thousands of lesser-known Jewish women lead local and obscure feminist groups1:

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-Gloria Steinem founder, Ms. Magazine.

-Bella Abzug; Civil rights and labor attorney elected to Congress (House of Rep.) from New York City; served 1971-1977.

-Betty Friedan ; feminist leader and author of the book "The Feminine Mystique" (1963).

-Shulamith Firestone ; Canadian feminist. Wrote "The Dialectic of Sex" (1970).

-Andrea Dworkin ; radical; apparent lesbian. Author of the book "Intercourse" (1987).

-Susan Brownmiller ; U.S. feminist. Wrote the book "Against Our Will" (1975).

-Susan Faludi; author of the book "Backlash" (1992).

-Naomi Wolf ; advisor to Al Gore in the 2000 U.S. presidential election.

-Emma Goldman ; early U.S. feminist.

-Ernestine Rose; b. in Poland; early feminist.

-Phyllis Chesler ; U.S. feminist; author of the book "Woman's Inhumanity to Woman" (2002).

-Judy Chicago (Cohen); U.S. feminist. Author of the book "The Dinner Party" (1996).

-Robin Morgan ; U.S. feminist. Former editor-in-chief, Ms. magazine.

-Letty Cottin Pogrebin;; U.S. feminist; co-founded Ms. magazine.

-Gerda Lerner ; b. in Austria.

-Annie Nathan Meyer ; U.S. feminist.

-Maud Nathan ; sister of Annie Nathan Meyer; U.S. feminist.

-Geri Palast ; chair, Committee on Women in the Global Economy; U.S. feminist.

-Rose Schneiderman ; b. in Poland.

-Anita Pollitzer ; U.S. feminist; pal of artist Georgia O'Keeffe.

-Gene Boyer (no birthyear available); a founder of N.O.W.; president of Jewish Feminists; U.S. feminist.

-Lucy Komisar ; author of the book "The New Feminism" (1971); U.S. feminist.

-Karen Nussbaum ; (apparently Jewish); leader of 9to5-National Association of Working Women.

-Eleanor Flexner ; (apparently Jewish--relative is a Zionist); U.S. feminist.

-Riane Eisler ; b. Vienna; author/feminist; (apparently Jewish--fled Nazis). Author of the book "The Chalice and the Blade" (1987).

Notes

1. sources include Jewish author Dr. Joshua Halberstam's book "Schmoozing," 1997, Perigee; also web searches, and the author's personal files and notes.

Do you want every one to be like Queen Elizabeth ? or Queen Victoria ? I can get million people ready in Asia to be so in very minute detail

[JamesBond007]

Do you want every one to be like Queen Elizabeth ? or Queen Victoria ? I can get million people ready in Asia to be so in very minute detail

Sorry, the second proposition means a million women ready or raising a million man army ?

[tipirneni]

Such unwanted complex presents excellent opportunity for the good programmer script writer hack into these personalities from newspapers/magazines in no time given such very basic and notions.

Some of the newer modern thoughts people started following include objectivism where Females have more say in the relations in a rational manner within the society. Given more multiculturual and work culture nowadays not following these newer philosophies would mean getting into that man-hole & suffering the same old ancient madonna-whore shit...