Are Southern French people as Mediterranid in race as other Southern Europeans?

[sean]

Are Southern French people as Mediterranid in race as other Southern Europeans?

Nope. I think they're very similar to Northern French racially. The North-South differences are wildly over exaggerated on anthroforums (mostly by OWD spics and some racially insecure Southern Europeans), they also do the same thing with Italy (when ethnic Italians are uniformly Med all over the place), it's a miracle that the Southern French have retained their NW European phenotypes so far considering there were waves of woggy Southern European and brown North African migration (they ought to be the Brazil of Europe by now but it didn't happen), the French people also have a particular look to them.

Northern French:



Southern French:

[Septentrion]

Southern French most likely have strong Alpinid or Dinarid admixtures. Right?

The people of Southern France are as a whole Mediterranean ( Gracile or Atlanto-Med). Although they have a higher frequency of Alpinid, Baskid, Dinarid admixtures than Iberians for examples. They are also those with Nordid admixture ( Atlantid), especially in the Atlantic regions of France. You’ll find many Frenchmen or Frenchwomen who fit within the Mediterranean Proper especially in Angoumois, Limousin, Périgord, etc…

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The French is the one group people's opinions vary wildly.

you are clueless Oliver, northern romania lol

It's expected. If this was a job, Oliver would have been told long ago 'I'm sorry but we have to let you go. Unfortunately you're not a good fit for our company."

The guy is the worst.

[renaissance12]

Nope. I think they're very similar to Northern French racially. The North-South differences are wildly over exaggerated on anthroforums (mostly by OWD spics and some racially insecure Southern Europeans), they also do the same thing with Italy (when ethnic Italians are uniformly Med all over the place), it's a miracle that the Southern French have retained their NW European phenotypes so far considering there were waves of woggy Southern European and brown North African migration (they ought to be the Brazil of Europe by now but it didn't happen), the French people also have a particular look to them.

Northern French:



Southern French:

It is clear that most of the members of this forum consider you the dumbest ( typical ignorant mixed bastard dumbest in north america ) of them all.. but besides being stupid you are completely ignorant of history. Return to kindergarten in Canada ....half feigned English blood and mixed Canadian (whatever that means to the French.. because it is clear you are mostly french).

Your parents are to blame for your stupidity... but I am sure that if you had been born of other parents (even less stupid than yours) you would still have remained stupid...

Ignorance is almost always synonymous with low intelligence and this can never be tolerated in a cultural forum..


West south France till 1860 was not France but Royaume de Sardaigne...





And TOLOSA

https://www.diariovasco.com/tolosa-g...a.html#imagen1

[Petalpusher]

It is clear that most of the members of this forum consider you the dumbest ( typical ignorant mixed bastard dumbest in north america ) of them all.. but besides being stupid you are completely ignorant of history. Return to kindergarten in Canada ....half feigned English blood and mixed Canadian (whatever that means to the French.. because it is clear you are mostly french).

Your parents are to blame for your stupidity... but I am sure that if you had been born of other parents (even less stupid than yours) you would still have remained stupid...


West south France till 1860 was not France but Royaume de Sardaigne...

By this logic Sicily should be ethnically Normand, but obviously it's not, they are still each pretty much at the opposite end of Europe's genetic. Yet they ruled it for more than a century. No more than Corsicans since 1786 magically morphed into another ethnicity when the island became French.

However we know Nice and a tiny area around is ethnically Italian, since... it has been through most of its history an Italian city next to the border called Nissa, that's even where the so called Provencal sample was taken from but it's clearly Italian as expected, more so than even people from Aoste despite them living in Italy (they are part French at the very least). There has been so many Kingdoms and change of rules in Europe, for the most part they are ethnically irrelevant as they were just rules and papers, not population movements.

France continuum is more a West/East than North/South divide with a few exceptions, genetics clearly showed that in many studies.

My own results from the southeast, mostly Isere (1/2), with Provence and some minor Burgundy for the other half. Ironically the Provence side is the most northern plotting of them all, and extremly far from the "Provence" sample of Nice.



Very Sardinian indeed. At this very zoomed scale, Sardinia would be in another room outside of your computer screen.

[renaissance12]

By this logic Sicily should be ethnically Normand, but obviously it's not, they are still each pretty much at the opposite end of Europe's genetic. Yet they ruled it for more than a century. No more than Corsicans since 1786 magically morphed into another ethnicity when the island became French.

However we know Nice and a tiny area around is ethnically Italian, since... it has been through most of its history an Italian city next to the border called Nissa, that's even where the so called Provencal sample was taken from but it's clearly Italian as expected, more so than even people from Aoste despite them living in Italy (they are part French at the very least). There has been so many Kingdoms and change of rules in Europe, for the most part they are ethnically irrelevant as they were just rules and papers, not population movements.

France continuum is more a West/East than North/South divide with a few exceptions, genetics clearly showed that in many studies.

My own results from the southeast, mostly Isere (1/2), with Provence and some minor Burgundy for the other half. Ironically the Provence side is the most northern plotting of them all, and extremly far from the "Provence" sample of Nice.



Very Sardinian indeed. At this very zoomed scale, Sardinia would be in another room outside of your computer screen.

What do you want to say ? That in 500 years the population of the Kingdom of Savoy has never moved within it?


In the beginning the Savoy territory was even bigger.....and the capital was TURIN..

The Normans who arrived in Sicily were mere soldiers and nothing more.. You can't compare Savoy territory with normans in Sicily
( normans were not "vikings" and they were 100% christianezed and romanized.. )

[Petalpusher]

What do you want to say ? That in 500 years the population of the Kingdom of Savoy has never moved within it?


In the beginning the Savoy territory was even bigger.....and the capital was TURIN..

The Normans who arrived in Sicily were mere soldiers and nothing more.. You can't compare Savoy territory with normans in Sicily
( normans were not "vikings" and they were 100% christianezed and romanized.. )

Im not saying anything, im looking at the datas, and the datas say people from this ancient Kingdoms of Savoy didn't interact much (genes aren't exchanged through breathable air, maps and even language). I ve seen results from Chambéry or Geneva, as well as more readily available ones from Piedmont/Turin. At the relative scale of Europe, they are quite far from each others, surely closer than an hypothetical Kingdom of Sardinia though... Yet very close in geographical distance. The same goes on the other side with Austrians. There is usually substantial overlaps near borders, in North Italy the only part that has some level of it with France is Aoste, even then they are still more distant than expected and have some genuine recent French ancestry there justifying it. I don't think even people from Nice have that much the other way.

At the end of the day the real explanation for all that is a different kind of "historical map", less hypothetical and more substantial than treaties and political rules for two places like Chambéry and Turin, or say Innsbruck and Bergame. They have been separated for millenias by nothing short than the Alps.

[Monapps]

The French are stereotyped as faggy and woggy but that's from an Anglo-American pov. Real wogs -France's southern neighbours- exaggerate the Mediterranean influence of Southern France to not feel alone in their wogginess.

[PaganPoet]

French people are on average slightly less woggy than Belgians, when it comes down to skin tones. As weird as that may sound.

[Septentrion]

The lowest frequencies of light and blue eyes in France is found in Southern France. Especially the department of Ariège which the lowest frequency of blue eyes in mainland France (10%). This is equivalent to that of the island of Corsica.